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Smart effector for delta printers
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    Rommie
    last edited by 8 Sept 2017, 07:30 9 Aug 2017, 07:29

    @dc42:

    All will be revealed when we start shipping.

    Does it mean we will see them in stock today seeing as before we were told they will show on site when there available

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      Dougal1957
      last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 07:52

      @dc42:

      @loic:

      what kind of sensor does effector use for autobed?

      It's a strain gauge that detects a minute flexing of the PCB.

      it was revealed on page 9 of this thread what tech it used.

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        T3P3Tony administrators
        last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 08:11

        They won't be in stock until next week. I put the listing up to answer some questions about the cost.

        www.duet3d.com

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          Rommie
          last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 08:21

          Ahhh ok thanks

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            olee
            last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 08:41

            @T3P3Tony:

            They won't be in stock until next week. I put the listing up to answer some questions about the cost.

            Glad to hear it! And could I order 12 not 6 Magballs as spare addon?

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              inachisiojexus
              last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 09:39

              @CaLviNx:

              @roboduet:

              It seems that this is the first public picture of the bottom side of the printed circuit board with sensor electronics 🙂 Unfortunately, the quality of the photo is very poor and labels of IC chips are not visible.

              UPD: SmartEffector is called as StrainEffector 1.3 on PCB silkscreen. Maybe this is the key to unraveling the way of bed probing?

              Why do you want to unravel the thing ? are you looking to reverse engineer it to rip the technology off or something ?

              Off-topic but I found your question of "why" strange. Like we're unraveling the order of nature just to rip it off. It's funny because it's true. 😉 I've gotten the impression that the people behind Duet are very OSS/RepRap-minded, a central point of which is "ripping off" without shame. Maybe your second sentence suggested commercial purposes, but that's quite a leap to infer from a mere motivation to figure out and understand how something works.

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                A Former User
                last edited by 8 Sept 2017, 10:20 9 Aug 2017, 10:05

                @inachisiojexus:

                Off-topic but I found your question of "why" strange. Like we're unraveling the order of nature just to rip it off. It's funny because it's true. 😉 I've gotten the impression that the people behind Duet are very OSS/RepRap-minded, a central point of which is "ripping off" without shame. Maybe your second sentence suggested commercial purposes, but that's quite a leap to infer from a mere motivation to figure out and understand how something works.

                You can take it and infer anything from it you wish.

                As Dougal already pointed out the information as to how the unit operates was ALREADY revealed.

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                  inachisiojexus
                  last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 11:14

                  @CaLviNx:

                  As Dougal already pointed out the information as to how the unit operates was ALREADY revealed.

                  Only conceptually if my memory and attentiveness serve me right. I think that's beside the point anyway.

                  My point was that some people enjoy tearing down and reverse-engineering devices built by others, and I found your question strange especially in the broader context of 3d-printing which as a hobby still involves a lot of DIY, tinkering and generally; involvement.

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                    number40fan
                    last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 14:13

                    @JohnOCFII:

                    @Hergonoway:

                    I had 50mm for some time, but I like the 40mm compact size, same as classic 40mm fans, but it can be put alongside the e3d for a narrow design. If you take time to search you'll find ones with more than 10CFM

                    A 40mm blower fan would certainly fit better than 50mm. I had ordered the 50mm, as it is what it on the Prusa i3 MK2 I have, and it does a fantastic job. If I can find a 40mm with a healthy CFM, that would certainly fit better on my T3P3 Kossel Mini.

                    Here's one possible contender (at 12V) - showing 9.5 CFM.

                    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ball-Bearing-4cm-40mm-x-40mm-x-10mm-Blower-Fan-12V-Brushless-DC-Cooling-fan-2pin-/262701643053?hash=item3d2a3cf52d:g:HrwAAOSwzgBYz1cr

                    John

                    Thanks. Been looking for a fan like that for a while.

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                      A Former User
                      last edited by 8 Oct 2017, 06:34 9 Aug 2017, 16:50

                      @T3P3Tony:

                      @Zesty_Lykle:

                      Not having a board, that is kinda tricky, but I think it is OK, looking at the photos.
                      Thanks for the measurements.

                      I hope this helps a bit more:

                      https://duet3d.com/wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#SmartEffector_SMT_Component_Clearances

                      @__Tony__ <–--------------------------------------

                      The Last missing part of the puzzle (for me anyway) I have highlighted, I need the distance from the centre of the hole to the short edge of the effector

                      Please accept my apologies if it's out there and I have missed it

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                        Dougal1957
                        last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 17:05

                        @CaLviNx:

                        @T3P3Tony:

                        @Zesty_Lykle:

                        Not having a board, that is kinda tricky, but I think it is OK, looking at the photos.
                        Thanks for the measurements.

                        I hope this helps a bit more:

                        https://duet3d.com/wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#SmartEffector_SMT_Component_Clearances

                        Tony Last missing part of the puzzle (for me anyway) I have highlighted, I need the distance from the centre of the hole to the short edge of the effector

                        Please accept my apologies if it's out there and I have missed it

                        https://vgy.me/aMJKcm.jpg

                        By calculation I would say 6.64mm the long side is 66.5 and the spacing is 55 so that is 5.75mm to the corner so I reckon the calc is 5.75/cos30+ the distance you are asking for.

                        Doug

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                          olee
                          last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 18:31

                          @CaLviNx:

                          @T3P3Tony:

                          @Zesty_Lykle:

                          Not having a board, that is kinda tricky, but I think it is OK, looking at the photos.
                          Thanks for the measurements.

                          I hope this helps a bit more:

                          https://duet3d.com/wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#SmartEffector_SMT_Component_Clearances

                          Tony Last missing part of the puzzle (for me anyway) I have highlighted, I need the distance from the centre of the hole to the short edge of the effector

                          Please accept my apologies if it's out there and I have missed it

                          https://vgy.me/aMJKcm.jpg

                          You can print https://duet3d.com/wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#SmartEffector_SMT_Component_Clearances on a printer (plain old paper printer of course) , calculate a scale from any known size (distance for the ball stud holes for example) and measure any things you want.

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                            bot
                            last edited by 8 Sept 2017, 19:18 9 Aug 2017, 19:12

                            Based on the known dimensions, and the schematics shown, it would be between 7.8-8mm

                            *not actually a robot

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                              Hergonoway
                              last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 19:59

                              It's time for me to prepare wiring 🙂

                              so I've got a 2 wires PT100, with everything under 24v, from what I see I can use one of my 6 wire cable for Molex KK, 22AWG will do the job.

                              But what about the Molex Microfit, I would like to use the same cable but could I use a 22AWG for the extruder heater ? I currently have a 40w 24v cartridge, from my point of view it's OK, but I'll prefer a second advice 🙂

                              Delta goes BrrrRRRRrrrrrRRRRrrr

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                                olee
                                last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 20:18

                                @Hergonoway:

                                It's time for me to prepare wiring 🙂

                                so I've got a 2 wires PT100, with everything under 24v, from what I see I can use one of my 6 wire cable for Molex KK, 22AWG will do the job.

                                But what about the Molex Microfit, I would like to use the same cable but could I use a 22AWG for the extruder heater ? I currently have a 40w 24v cartridge, from my point of view it's OK, but I'll prefer a second advice 🙂

                                1.7A current is well within ampacity of 22AWG for chassis wiring. And voltage drop of 0.2V is not much of concern for the case.

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                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 22:09

                                  My plan was to use fairly thin 8 core multicore cable for the signal connection (4 wire PT100 connection from the effector back to the Duet), and use the same cable for the heater/fan connector with 2 conductors in parallel for each of the heater wires. In the end I didn't change the heater and fan wires because they were already working well. I can't remember what gauge the conductors were, but the resistance per conductor was just under 0.1ohm per metre.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    inachisiojexus
                                    last edited by 9 Aug 2017, 22:38

                                    @CaLviNx:

                                    I need the distance from the centre of the hole to the short edge of the effector

                                    x = 5.75 * sqrt(2) * cos(15) ~= 7.8546460717605222188914082318294

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                                      A Former User
                                      last edited by 8 Oct 2017, 06:33 10 Aug 2017, 04:01

                                      I had the dimensions worked out, I just wanted Tony's confirmation.

                                      And suddenly a lot of non Tony's jumped in !!!!

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                                        DADIY
                                        last edited by 10 Aug 2017, 08:11

                                        For the cabling, I was planning on using 6 core 22awg for the heater and fan connections,

                                        6 Core - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Flexible-2-3-4-5-6-Multicore-Cable-AWG-Black-Signal-Power-Auto-Data-Car-Wire-UK/281776562442

                                        and then for the PT100 and probe connections, I have lots of stranded cat 6 that I can use. Hopefully, the probe and the PT100 won't interfere with each other? Any thoughts?

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                                          dc42 administrators
                                          last edited by 10 Aug 2017, 09:12

                                          The probe and the PT100 signals don't interfere with each other. The 8-core cable I used was this http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/multicore-industrial-cable/6604052/?sra=pstk.

                                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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