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    • roboduetundefined
      roboduet
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      @CaLviNx:

      Why do you want to unravel the thing ? are you looking to reverse engineer it to rip the technology off or something ?

      It's just curiosity, nothing more. It seems strange to me that it is so carefully hidden. I'm just happy Duet user and don't want to rev. engineer anything 🙂

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      • dc42undefined
        dc42 administrators
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        All will be revealed when we start shipping.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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        • Rommieundefined
          Rommie
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          @dc42:

          All will be revealed when we start shipping.

          Does it mean we will see them in stock today seeing as before we were told they will show on site when there available

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          • Dougal1957undefined
            Dougal1957
            last edited by

            @dc42:

            @loic:

            what kind of sensor does effector use for autobed?

            It's a strain gauge that detects a minute flexing of the PCB.

            it was revealed on page 9 of this thread what tech it used.

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            • T3P3Tonyundefined
              T3P3Tony administrators
              last edited by

              They won't be in stock until next week. I put the listing up to answer some questions about the cost.

              www.duet3d.com

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              • Rommieundefined
                Rommie
                last edited by

                Ahhh ok thanks

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                • oleeundefined
                  olee
                  last edited by

                  @T3P3Tony:

                  They won't be in stock until next week. I put the listing up to answer some questions about the cost.

                  Glad to hear it! And could I order 12 not 6 Magballs as spare addon?

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                  • inachisiojexusundefined
                    inachisiojexus
                    last edited by

                    @CaLviNx:

                    @roboduet:

                    It seems that this is the first public picture of the bottom side of the printed circuit board with sensor electronics 🙂 Unfortunately, the quality of the photo is very poor and labels of IC chips are not visible.

                    UPD: SmartEffector is called as StrainEffector 1.3 on PCB silkscreen. Maybe this is the key to unraveling the way of bed probing?

                    Why do you want to unravel the thing ? are you looking to reverse engineer it to rip the technology off or something ?

                    Off-topic but I found your question of "why" strange. Like we're unraveling the order of nature just to rip it off. It's funny because it's true. 😉 I've gotten the impression that the people behind Duet are very OSS/RepRap-minded, a central point of which is "ripping off" without shame. Maybe your second sentence suggested commercial purposes, but that's quite a leap to infer from a mere motivation to figure out and understand how something works.

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                    • A Former User?
                      A Former User
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                      @inachisiojexus:

                      Off-topic but I found your question of "why" strange. Like we're unraveling the order of nature just to rip it off. It's funny because it's true. 😉 I've gotten the impression that the people behind Duet are very OSS/RepRap-minded, a central point of which is "ripping off" without shame. Maybe your second sentence suggested commercial purposes, but that's quite a leap to infer from a mere motivation to figure out and understand how something works.

                      You can take it and infer anything from it you wish.

                      As Dougal already pointed out the information as to how the unit operates was ALREADY revealed.

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                      • inachisiojexusundefined
                        inachisiojexus
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                        @CaLviNx:

                        As Dougal already pointed out the information as to how the unit operates was ALREADY revealed.

                        Only conceptually if my memory and attentiveness serve me right. I think that's beside the point anyway.

                        My point was that some people enjoy tearing down and reverse-engineering devices built by others, and I found your question strange especially in the broader context of 3d-printing which as a hobby still involves a lot of DIY, tinkering and generally; involvement.

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                        • number40fanundefined
                          number40fan
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                          @JohnOCFII:

                          @Hergonoway:

                          I had 50mm for some time, but I like the 40mm compact size, same as classic 40mm fans, but it can be put alongside the e3d for a narrow design. If you take time to search you'll find ones with more than 10CFM

                          A 40mm blower fan would certainly fit better than 50mm. I had ordered the 50mm, as it is what it on the Prusa i3 MK2 I have, and it does a fantastic job. If I can find a 40mm with a healthy CFM, that would certainly fit better on my T3P3 Kossel Mini.

                          Here's one possible contender (at 12V) - showing 9.5 CFM.

                          http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ball-Bearing-4cm-40mm-x-40mm-x-10mm-Blower-Fan-12V-Brushless-DC-Cooling-fan-2pin-/262701643053?hash=item3d2a3cf52d:g:HrwAAOSwzgBYz1cr

                          John

                          Thanks. Been looking for a fan like that for a while.

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                          • A Former User?
                            A Former User
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                            @T3P3Tony:

                            @Zesty_Lykle:

                            Not having a board, that is kinda tricky, but I think it is OK, looking at the photos.
                            Thanks for the measurements.

                            I hope this helps a bit more:

                            https://duet3d.com/wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#SmartEffector_SMT_Component_Clearances

                            @__Tony__ <–--------------------------------------

                            The Last missing part of the puzzle (for me anyway) I have highlighted, I need the distance from the centre of the hole to the short edge of the effector

                            Please accept my apologies if it's out there and I have missed it

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                            • Dougal1957undefined
                              Dougal1957
                              last edited by

                              @CaLviNx:

                              @T3P3Tony:

                              @Zesty_Lykle:

                              Not having a board, that is kinda tricky, but I think it is OK, looking at the photos.
                              Thanks for the measurements.

                              I hope this helps a bit more:

                              https://duet3d.com/wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#SmartEffector_SMT_Component_Clearances

                              Tony Last missing part of the puzzle (for me anyway) I have highlighted, I need the distance from the centre of the hole to the short edge of the effector

                              Please accept my apologies if it's out there and I have missed it

                              https://vgy.me/aMJKcm.jpg

                              By calculation I would say 6.64mm the long side is 66.5 and the spacing is 55 so that is 5.75mm to the corner so I reckon the calc is 5.75/cos30+ the distance you are asking for.

                              Doug

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                              • oleeundefined
                                olee
                                last edited by

                                @CaLviNx:

                                @T3P3Tony:

                                @Zesty_Lykle:

                                Not having a board, that is kinda tricky, but I think it is OK, looking at the photos.
                                Thanks for the measurements.

                                I hope this helps a bit more:

                                https://duet3d.com/wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#SmartEffector_SMT_Component_Clearances

                                Tony Last missing part of the puzzle (for me anyway) I have highlighted, I need the distance from the centre of the hole to the short edge of the effector

                                Please accept my apologies if it's out there and I have missed it

                                https://vgy.me/aMJKcm.jpg

                                You can print https://duet3d.com/wiki/Smart_effector_and_carriage_adapters_for_delta_printer#SmartEffector_SMT_Component_Clearances on a printer (plain old paper printer of course) , calculate a scale from any known size (distance for the ball stud holes for example) and measure any things you want.

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                                • botundefined
                                  bot
                                  last edited by

                                  Based on the known dimensions, and the schematics shown, it would be between 7.8-8mm

                                  *not actually a robot

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                                  • Hergonowayundefined
                                    Hergonoway
                                    last edited by

                                    It's time for me to prepare wiring 🙂

                                    so I've got a 2 wires PT100, with everything under 24v, from what I see I can use one of my 6 wire cable for Molex KK, 22AWG will do the job.

                                    But what about the Molex Microfit, I would like to use the same cable but could I use a 22AWG for the extruder heater ? I currently have a 40w 24v cartridge, from my point of view it's OK, but I'll prefer a second advice 🙂

                                    Delta goes BrrrRRRRrrrrrRRRRrrr

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                                    • oleeundefined
                                      olee
                                      last edited by

                                      @Hergonoway:

                                      It's time for me to prepare wiring 🙂

                                      so I've got a 2 wires PT100, with everything under 24v, from what I see I can use one of my 6 wire cable for Molex KK, 22AWG will do the job.

                                      But what about the Molex Microfit, I would like to use the same cable but could I use a 22AWG for the extruder heater ? I currently have a 40w 24v cartridge, from my point of view it's OK, but I'll prefer a second advice 🙂

                                      1.7A current is well within ampacity of 22AWG for chassis wiring. And voltage drop of 0.2V is not much of concern for the case.

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                                      • dc42undefined
                                        dc42 administrators
                                        last edited by

                                        My plan was to use fairly thin 8 core multicore cable for the signal connection (4 wire PT100 connection from the effector back to the Duet), and use the same cable for the heater/fan connector with 2 conductors in parallel for each of the heater wires. In the end I didn't change the heater and fan wires because they were already working well. I can't remember what gauge the conductors were, but the resistance per conductor was just under 0.1ohm per metre.

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        • inachisiojexusundefined
                                          inachisiojexus
                                          last edited by

                                          @CaLviNx:

                                          I need the distance from the centre of the hole to the short edge of the effector

                                          x = 5.75 * sqrt(2) * cos(15) ~= 7.8546460717605222188914082318294

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                                          • A Former User?
                                            A Former User
                                            last edited by

                                            I had the dimensions worked out, I just wanted Tony's confirmation.

                                            And suddenly a lot of non Tony's jumped in !!!!

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