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    • T3P3Tonyundefined
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      last edited by

      I assume you have looked for a wiring diagram or datasheet or something?

      You can try measure the resistance between the wires. one pair may be 100K and change with temperature (probably a thermistor).

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      • tandarundefined
        tandar
        last edited by tandar

        Zero luck on any datasheets/schematics for either the bed or the board that this was connected to. It's 5+ years old.

        There's resistance on 3 of the pairs

        Black/White 106k
        Black/Red 112k
        White/Red 6k

        BOTH Black/White and Black/Red decrease with heat.
        White/Red stays constant

        Can I assume
        Green/Red = Power
        Black/White = Thermistor?

        Thanks for the help!

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        • T3P3Tonyundefined
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          @tandar that might be correct, but maybe not as there is that mosfet and other components on the board - who knows that they are doing - does the board indicate its temperature state with the different diodes? Do you know what voltage it was supposed to run at as none of those resistances look like a heater, however thats quite probably because the mosfet is switched off. is it possible that one of the pairs is the power supply, the other is the mosfet control and temperature was either done separately (sensor not on the PCB) or not at all (the PCB just gets to 60C and thats it)?

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          • tandarundefined
            tandar
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            The LEDs do indicate temp level.
            I assume it's a 12v bed since the power supply is 12v.
            The old slicer (Pango) allowed for different bed temps so I again assume that there's some sort of temp temp sensor on the bed (?).

            A lot of assumptions I know!

            I know the safe thing to do is to get a new bed. But I wanted to avoid this since I can't find a replacement with the right 3 hole pattern and I'd have to craft one from scratch.

            So I'll explore this a little more and see if I can decipher what's going on. I'll let you know.

            [EDIT] FYI - When I connect Red/White to 12v, the green power light illuminates and the first 2 temp LEDs light up. Temp does not increase

            I was looking forward to driving this old printer with a new Duet but if it doesn't work out, I've got other uses for this great board.

            Your help is greatly appreciated

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            • rjenkinsgbundefined
              rjenkinsgb
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              Try connecting the 12V supply then try grounding the green wire, or if that has no effect try putting 4 to 5V on it (relative to 12V negative) ??

              That may be a PWM input, as black appears to be the thermistor?

              Robert J.

              Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.

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              • tandarundefined
                tandar @rjenkinsgb
                last edited by tandar

                @rjenkinsgb said in Kodama Trinus heated bed wiring help:

                at may be a PWM input, as black ap

                Robert - Thanks for the reply.
                Nothing happens with green grounded. And I'm not sure how to send 5v to green
                But...
                I've now got the board and bed on my bench connected to my PC.
                So I can control the board via the slicer and read voltages.
                When connected to the board and with Bed Heat OFF, the bed shows 12 v across Red/White and Red/Green
                When Bed heat is turned ON Red/Green shows 7 v.
                Does this tell you anything?
                cIMG_3728[1024].jpg
                I would just be happy to hack the Bed so that it comes on with power. I could then add a thermistor and use the duet to control temp

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                • rjenkinsgbundefined
                  rjenkinsgb
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                  That looks like 5V between green and white! (12 - 7)
                  White seems to be the 0V / common so the easiest reference for measurements.

                  So, the green does appear to be a logic-level control input.

                  I believe (but let one of the Duet gurus confirm) that connecting green to a 5V pin on one of the connectors via a resistor, eg. 1K or 470 Ohms, then adding a diode from the green to the bed heat PWM pin, with the diode cathode (banded end) to the PWM pin, should allow bed PWM to control the heater, though inverted..

                  The Duet 2 board does not look to have many 5V points, so I'll leave it to someone more familiar with it to suggest a safe connection.

                  Robert J.

                  Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.

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                  • T3P3Tonyundefined
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                    last edited by

                    @tandar using the original controller to control the temperature, when you turn the bed heat on, its sounds like (as @rjenkinsgb has said), that there is 5V between white and Green (please check). with it off is there 0V between white and green (sounds like there should be but check). I assume with the bed heater tuned on the bed is actually heating?

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                    • tandarundefined
                      tandar
                      last edited by tandar

                      Yes

                      • When when Bed is first connected to the powered board; White/Green = 0v
                      • When bed heat is turned on via Pango Console; White/Green = 5v
                      • Bed starts to heat up. Red HEAT LED lights, the board is warmer to the touch, and the console reports rising temp

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                      • T3P3Tonyundefined
                        T3P3Tony administrators @tandar
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                        @tandar ok that confirms that the green line is a 5V "on" control for the heated bed. @rjenkinsgb has suggested how to adapt a normal duet PWM output to control it.

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                        • tandarundefined
                          tandar
                          last edited by tandar

                          Thanks everyone - I'll try the suggested wiring.

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                          • dc42undefined
                            dc42 administrators @tandar
                            last edited by

                            @tandar which Duet do you have? If it is one of the later ones with a 5V Laser/VFD output, then another possibility is to use that output to drive the control wire of your bed heater, so as to use the mosfet on the heater to control it.

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                            • Phil Maddoxundefined
                              Phil Maddox @tandar
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                              @tandar
                              In case anybody else reads this thread
                              In the process of upgrading my trinus to a more modern control board i have evaluated the options for adapting the bed and chosen what in my opinion is the most simple and straight forward
                              The mod is reversible but does require some wiring and a thermistor.

                              Hope this helps
                              Kodama heated bed mod

                              While the board i have is slightly newer than the OP's they are compatible with each other
                              and the Panowin Kodama & Bardo boards so the wiring / pin outs etc should be identical

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