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    • zaptaundefined
      zapta @Th0mpy
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      @th0mpy said in Anybody wants a stepper motor analyzer?:

      and made a couple modifications to the board. should more sensors be needed in the future.

      Can you release these modifications? It will be useful if we will 'standardize' the configuration such that we can share firmware between boards.

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      • Th0mpyundefined
        Th0mpy @zapta
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        @zapta Yep, I'll reach out to you separately (this weekend) and go over my changes.

        Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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        • Th0mpyundefined
          Th0mpy @PCR
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          @pcr Let me get with @zapta and we'll update the main repo.

          Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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          • Th0mpyundefined
            Th0mpy @Dogma2k
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            @dogma2k I had to re-use some of the code for the jumper. You can pull the option pin high, low, or float to get an option. I re-used the high option to add the TMCS1101. I did update the board to add 2 more option pins this way you could conceivably have up to 27 options for sensors, but the code hasn't been completely updated.

            This is the one I'm using: TMCS1101A2BQDRQ1 which now when I look doesn't show stock until January 😕 I still have a few and have 10 more boards coming so my next batch will likely hit sometime in January.

            Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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            • Th0mpyundefined
              Th0mpy @Th0mpy
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              @th0mpy There is one other TMCS1101 which should work as well, the only difference is the 0A voltage, which doesn't matter since the code has a "reset zero" option. I'll test it out and report back. I have a few coming next week, as well I will get the update code posted somewhere after I coordinate with @zapta

              Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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              • rjenkinsgbundefined
                rjenkinsgb @zapta
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                @zapta said in Anybody wants a stepper motor analyzer?:

                Have you seen the recent post here that mentioned the TI TMCS1101 ?

                Just now, great find!

                Mouser have a few TMCS1101A4BQDT in stock, which are the same symmetrical sense range with 400mV per amp output, as the original ACS70331EOLCTR-2P5B3

                I've just ordered some.

                Robert J.

                Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.

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                • Th0mpyundefined
                  Th0mpy @rjenkinsgb
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                  @rjenkinsgb That's cool, I hadn't seen that one when I was searching. If I did it wasn't in stock.

                  Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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                  • Th0mpyundefined
                    Th0mpy
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                    Hey all, just a quick update. I ran out of connectors, if you still want an analyzer I still have 3 but won't have any connectors to make jumpers. I have another batch on the way that I should see in January.

                    Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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                    • o_lampeundefined
                      o_lampe @Th0mpy
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                      @th0mpy said in Anybody wants a stepper motor analyzer?:

                      that I should see in January.

                      ...which year? 😉
                      It's frightening to see the supply-chains crash. Experts say, the shortage will last till end '22....

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                      • Th0mpyundefined
                        Th0mpy @o_lampe
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                        @o_lampe It's crazy. The original sensors that I used, went away at a blink, then thee ones that @rjenkinsgb pointed out just magically appeared.. It's a crap shoot really.

                        The boards that I've been having made are pretty reliable, they have about a 3 week turnaround and it's stayed pretty consistent.

                        That said, I am working to publish my updates to the analyzer, I worked with @zapta and I will re-host my fork when I get it cleaned up. The benefit here is that we can start adding a lot more options for sensors, without too much rework in the code, we can just add the sensor specs and set the solder jumper as necessary. I'm hoping that we can eventually get to a point where we can reliably source just one sensor and standardize that. In the meantime we should be able to really get some good testing on whatever the market has available.

                        Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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                        • zaptaundefined
                          zapta @Th0mpy
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                          @th0mpy said in Anybody wants a stepper motor analyzer?:

                          and set the solder jumper

                          Just a minor idea, If you will use a standard footprint and zero ohms resistors, SMD services such as JLCPCB will be able to populate them as well.

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                          • Th0mpyundefined
                            Th0mpy @zapta
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                            @zapta Fair point 🙂 I did it with solder jumpers to make it easier if anyone wanted to change things in the future. I have to touch each one anyway, and it only takes 2 seconds to do, so for now I'm good with it.

                            Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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                            • o_lampeundefined
                              o_lampe @Th0mpy
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                              @th0mpy said in Anybody wants a stepper motor analyzer?:

                              In the meantime we should be able to really get some good testing on whatever the market has available.

                              Right! There's a good side in everything....the suppliers can sell their dust-collectors (for a fortune 😉 ) and we get a greater knowledge

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                              • Dogma2kundefined
                                Dogma2k @Th0mpy
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                                @th0mpy

                                Do the jumpers come here? Or do you need another board
                                Screenshot_3.jpg

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                                • Th0mpyundefined
                                  Th0mpy @Dogma2k
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                                  @dogma2k Which chip are you going to use?

                                  Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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                                  • rjenkinsgbundefined
                                    rjenkinsgb
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                                    Just received & fitted the current sensor ICs from Mouser.

                                    I still have to install the programming stuff, but once I have that set up and assuming the boards work OK, I'll let some of the spare current sensors & PCBs go at cost, if anyone in the UK / Europe wants them.

                                    Stepper_analyzer_sm.jpg

                                    Robert J.

                                    Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.

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                                    • PCRundefined
                                      PCR @rjenkinsgb
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                                      @rjenkinsgb which sensors are that now?

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                                      • rjenkinsgbundefined
                                        rjenkinsgb
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                                        @rjenkinsgb said in Anybody wants a stepper motor analyzer?:

                                        The TMCS1101A4BQDT from Mouser.

                                        I've now got the boards programmed.
                                        The display is showing continuous slight variations in the current with nothing connected so I'd guess the sensors are giving a slight "noise" output, +/- a few tens on mA reading while nothing is connected.

                                        And I've just realised I do not have any suitable connectors to intercept the stepper motor end of the machine cables!

                                        (The Duet end is fully harnessed & laced so it's not practical to lift single connectors at the board).

                                        I want to be able to connect at the motors anyway, as I'm using E3D toolboards so the board connections for the direct tools are totally different from the axis motor feeds.

                                        I'll see if I can find stepper extensions with appropriate connectors that I can hack up..

                                        Stepper_analyzer_display.jpg

                                        Robert J.

                                        Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.

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                                        • Th0mpyundefined
                                          Th0mpy @rjenkinsgb
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                                          @rjenkinsgb Which connectors do you need? I just received a my order of the WURTH connectors (similar to the Duet 5+ or Duet 2). They look similar to yours on the board. I could send over a couple if you're willing to wait and part with some beer money. 🙂

                                          Usually the team that scores the most points wins the game.

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                                          • Dogma2kundefined
                                            Dogma2k @Th0mpy
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                                            @th0mpy
                                            That's a good question at the moment there is almost nothing to buy, so I'll take the one that is available again first. So ACS70331EOLCTR-2P5B3 or TMCS1101A4BQDT

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