levelling and mesh

MikeDC

No i was using 0.02 I increased it to 0.024 where i was playing.

it used to always be around 0.016 so 0.02 was enough
now the lowest i can get it is 0.049 but more often it is anywhere between 0.071 and 0.11

Phaedrux

If you do a repeated G30 S-1 test at your probe points are the results consistent?

Is it possible to move the Z motors to the mainboard?

Marcossf

@MikeDC @Phaedrux Have a look at the David's answer in our thread about CAN delays with external boards:

@dc42 said:

I have put preliminary firmware that resolves this issue at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cx760ysonlzzkjd/AACfsVfX4olHipuqmbWut5EKa?dl=0. Please test this firmware with care because I have only tested it using Duet 3 MB6HC + EXP3HC (the Z motor was connected to the EXP3HC).

If you are running your Duet with an attached Raspberry Pi then you must upgrade to RRF 3.4.0beta7 from the package server BEFORE you use these files.

Unfortunately we couldn't test it yet, so it's a good start point to see if this issue is addresed.

Best,

rjenkinsgb

@marcossf

One simple change that may help is just reduce the probing speed a lot, so any delays result in smaller errors.

In the config you posted earlier it is 300; try 50 or even less and see how that works?

I only use 60 even with a directly wired BLTouch!

As long as the clearance height is not excessive, it should not make all that much difference in speed but could increase accuracy a lot.

MikeDC

@phaedrux

Ok with Z on the 3HC they was definately not consistent

I have now moved the 2 Y motors temporarily to the 3HC and moved the 3 Z motors back to the mainboard

I think this is clearly showing it a 3HC can issue
consistent probing even if its not the 0.016 i was getting previously
but at least its not going as high as 0.71-0.11 now and look at the difference in the mesh, the 0.2mm difference front to back is gone.

MikeDC

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MikeDC

@marcossf said in levelling and mesh:

@MikeDC @Phaedrux Have a look at the David's answer in our thread about CAN delays with external boards:

@dc42 said:

I have put preliminary firmware that resolves this issue at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cx760ysonlzzkjd/AACfsVfX4olHipuqmbWut5EKa?dl=0. Please test this firmware with care because I have only tested it using Duet 3 MB6HC + EXP3HC (the Z motor was connected to the EXP3HC).

If you are running your Duet with an attached Raspberry Pi then you must upgrade to RRF 3.4.0beta7 from the package server BEFORE you use these files.

Unfortunately we couldn't test it yet, so it's a good start point to see if this issue is addresed.

Best,

I will definately test these files next thankyou

MikeDC

@rjenkinsgb said in levelling and mesh:

@marcossf

One simple change that may help is just reduce the probing speed a lot, so any delays result in smaller errors.

In the config you posted earlier it is 300; try 50 or even less and see how that works?

I only use 60 even with a directly wired BLTouch!

As long as the clearance height is not excessive, it should not make all that much difference in speed but could increase accuracy a lot.

I have already tried this, It doesnt help the inconsistancy,
Thankyou for the suggestion tho

engikeneer

@mikedc said in levelling and mesh:

If the motors are delaying then i cannot put x or y or e here either as they will all have differing issues.

I believe the firmware limitation is purely limited to probing moves as the motors will keep moving until the probe triggers and register their position (I.e. an unplanned event), whereas normal xy moves are all preplanned so can be synchronised between the boards. This seems to match what you are seeing

MikeDC

@engikeneer I agree,

I started a print around an hour ago, first one since i added the 3hc board.

with Z on the 3hc and the levels and mesh i dare not try printing,
but with the 2 Y motors on the board it seemed more stable so have started a print and so far its looking ok.

maybe one small alignment issue at the start of the print, between the brim and the part but i need to wait for it to finish to check it properly.

MikeDC

It is fixed in B7+2
see my post here

https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/25720/g30-stop-values-increasing-each-time/26?_=1641577026578

to confirm, Z is back on 3HC and multiprobing each point is giving good results again.

Thankyou @Phaedrux and @dc42

levelling and mesh

Robert J.