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    • alankilianundefined
      alankilian @Frobean
      last edited by alankilian

      @frobean

      Boy, I don't have anything definitive to look at, but....

      If you're up to it, try changing your config to rotate all the motors and endstops clockwise one position.

      Then reprobe the bed.

      If the map looks the same, it's probably some static mechanical issue like a carriage bent or an arm that's messed-up.

      If it rotates with the new arrangement, it's probably something loose in the mechanical system.

      I'm just completely guessing here, but you've got to try something right?

      SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300

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      • Frobeanundefined
        Frobean @alankilian
        last edited by

        That's a really good idea.

        I rotated the motors and endstops per your suggestion and the ridge remained and did not rotate with the motors so it looks like I have a definite mechanical issue.

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        • engikeneerundefined
          engikeneer @Frobean
          last edited by

          @frobean my initial thought looking at your heightmap is that the sudden jump part way through is due a missed step in one of the towers? If you discount the step, the profile overall looks smooth and reasonable. You also said its consistent with tower position

          I wonder if the failure has put a bend in one of your rails/guides at one point that catches and causes a missed step when moving over a certain position on that tower? Might also have messed with any delta calibration you've done

          E3D TC with D3Mini and Toolboards.
          Home-built CoreXY, Duet Wifi, Chimera direct drive, 2x BMG, 300x300x300 build volume
          i3 clone with a bunch of mods

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          • rjenkinsgbundefined
            rjenkinsgb
            last edited by rjenkinsgb

            Have you checked everything is still absolutely solid within the effector - nothing loose or cracked?

            The heatsink nut came loose in my smart effector and caused weird problems until I found it; it's now locktited!

            Also check all the magball attachments and rail / belt fittings, belt tension, motor pulley grubscrews etc.
            I think a loose motor pulley or some other form of backlash / slop at the side where the high peak is could cause something like you are seeing?

            Something coming loose is the most likely cause of the initial problem.

            If you cannot find anything obvious, I'd try cancelling the heightmap then manually jogging the head around in X and Y, while eg. 5mm above the bed - something easy to "eyaball" as a consistent gap.

            Hopefully you should be able to see and track down any variations that could be messing up the height probing.

            Robert J.

            Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.

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            • Frobeanundefined
              Frobean @rjenkinsgb
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              • Frobeanundefined
                Frobean @rjenkinsgb
                last edited by Frobean

                That was actually my first thought. To eliminate the effector as a potential issue, I pulled out my spare smart effector and have been testing with nothing but the magballs and a spare hotend bolted on. It reads exactly the same though. Last night I calibrated it down to snugly hold a sheet of paper between the bed and the nozzle then ordered the effector to various spots around the bed to see where it snags and/or lets go. It quite plainly pinches the paper along that ridge and lets go in the valleys. Argh...

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                • Frobeanundefined
                  Frobean @engikeneer
                  last edited by

                  @engikeneer The linear rails and frame pieces are far too heavy for the printer to be able to bend them, but I think you have put me on the right track. I've been focusing on the rails, but when I ran the belt past the spot on the rail where any defect has to be, I noticed a slight increase in the drag on the belt. Looking closer at where the belt passes over the pully around that spot, I appear to have a small section where the belt has been stretched and the belt teeth don't mesh perfectly with the pully teeth. That's probably where the effector got stuck and the motor stretched the belt trying to keep going. That stretched spot (about 20-25mm worth of belt) could cause that effect similar to a missed step. Time to order some new belts and see if that fixes it.

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                  • engikeneerundefined
                    engikeneer @Frobean
                    last edited by

                    @frobean that would make sense now I look at your heightmap again as the jump/ridge is arc shaped! I'll claim I was right (even though I was wrong 😛 )
                    If you're feeling keen, you could even swap the damaged belt to be the other way round. You'll still have the stretched section somewherein the loop, but at least you'll be able to prove the ride has gone/moved/changed?

                    E3D TC with D3Mini and Toolboards.
                    Home-built CoreXY, Duet Wifi, Chimera direct drive, 2x BMG, 300x300x300 build volume
                    i3 clone with a bunch of mods

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                    • Frobeanundefined
                      Frobean @engikeneer
                      last edited by

                      @engikeneer That did the trick!
                      You can even see the spot where I have a tiny piece of plastic debris stuck under the flex plate in the height map 😁
                      good heightmap.png
                      I've got the stretched spot over where it won't cause any harm until my new roll of belt material gets here.

                      Thanks for the insights!

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                      • alankilianundefined
                        alankilian @Frobean
                        last edited by

                        @frobean

                        YEAH!!!

                        I love a good success story.

                        SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300

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                        • JuJuDeltaundefined
                          JuJuDelta @Frobean
                          last edited by

                          @frobean said in Bed leveling has lost its mind:

                          @engikeneer That did the trick!
                          You can even see the spot where I have a tiny piece of plastic debris stuck under the flex plate in the height map 😁

                          You should name your printer "Hubble" 😊

                          T3DP3D Kossel XL+, Duet2Wifi, PanelDue 7i, RRF V3.2, Fl3xdrive, SmartEffector, Berd Air annulus, Cura 4.x, PrusaSlicer, RPi WiFi Camera, Heated Chamber

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                          • Frobeanundefined
                            Frobean @JuJuDelta
                            last edited by

                            @jujudelta 😆

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