auto calibration

trublu89

@fcwilt I've been out of the 3d printing loop for a while lol. I'm using the ir height sensor. I never really set offsets for the probe it just worked.

so would I use a G92 to set z to zero?

fcwilt

@trublu89 said in auto calibration:

@fcwilt I've been out of the 3d printing loop for a while lol. I'm using the ir height sensor. I never really set offsets for the probe it just worked.

so would I use a G92 to set z to zero?

In the G31 command there is the Z parameter which sets the probe Z Trigger Height value.

When you execute a G30 the probe and bed move toward one another and when the probe triggers the logical Z axis position is set to the value of the G31 Z Trigger Height parameter value.

So let's assume that value is 5 mm. G30 executes, the probe and bed move, the probe triggers, the logical Z axis position is set to 5 mm and then the probe and bed move apart based on the values of the G31 Z Trigger Height parameter and the M558 H parameter.

If the physical Z axis position at the moment the probe was triggered was actually 5 mm then the physical Z axis position and the logical Z axis position are in sync.

If the G31 Z Trigger Height parameter was too large or too small then the physical Z axis position and the logical Z axis position would be out of sync and any Z axis moves would result in the physical Z axis position being incorrect.

So it is essential that the correct value for the G31 Z Trigger Height parameter is determined with very good accuracy.

You can determine the correct value by trial-and-error or by using a reference object of known height.

I can explain how to do that if needed.

Frederick

Phaedrux

@trublu89 said in auto calibration:

both work fine one minute then one of the points wont trigger.

You mean that it will move to the probe points but randomly the probe doesn't trigger? Meaning a nozzle crash? An error message?

You can test and calibrate your probe following this: https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Z_probe_testing

trublu89

@phaedrux it won't even crash it will just stop before reaching it. And sometimes the margin of error is -9.

Now I'm getting a temperature excursion error I'm printing at 230 it will jump to 250 I paid tuned several times. Tried with fan on didn't realize the fan comes on with the newer firmware.

fcwilt

@trublu89 said in auto calibration:

it won't even crash it will just stop before reaching it. And sometimes the margin of error is -9.

What do you mean by "reaching it" - what does "it" refer to?

Frederick

trublu89

@fcwilt

right before it tries to trigger it will just stop and error out probe was not triggered during move.

fcwilt

@trublu89 said in auto calibration:

@fcwilt

right before it tries to trigger it will just stop and error out probe was not triggered during move.

That is usually caused by starting to probe to far from the bed.

Does the probe move smoothly towards the bed?

Frederick

trublu89

@fcwilt

I have the ir probe and my lead screws are independent driven by motors.

Phaedrux

The offsets for the probe look suspect

G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z0.192

There is no X Y offset from the nozzle so the firmware doesn't know where the probe actually is. And the trigger height seems very small.

Have you gone through this yet? https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Z_probe_testing

;Lead screw position
M671 X45:45:485:485Y45:424:424:45  s5

This command to define your lead screw positions may not be registering correctly because there is a missing space between the X and Y values and an extra space before the S.

Can you also post your homeall.g and config-override.g?

It would also be nice to see the results of sending M122 and M98 P"config.g" in the gcode console.

@trublu89 said in auto calibration:

it won't even crash it will just stop before reaching it.

Does this happen consistently in the space spot? Or totally randomly?

What is your bed surface? The IR probe can be sensitive to reflective or multicolor surfaces. You can try and eliminate this by putting a plane piece of white paper on your bed.

It would also be good to get some close up photos of the IR probe itself incase it is damaged in some way.

trublu89

@phaedrux

I didn't realize there was a gap in my m671

That's how I came up with .192 homing to where the paper grabbed the nozzle and g92 z=0 g30 s1 to get the mean results.

; homeall.g
; called to home all axes
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.3.10 on Fri Dec 17 2021 18:35:59 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)
G91                     ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z5 F108000        ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 X-565 Y-535 F1800 ; move quickly to X or Y endstop and stop there (first pass)
G1 H1 X-565             ; home X axis
G1 H1 Y-535             ; home Y axis
G1 X5 Y5 F108000        ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 X-565 F360        ; move slowly to X axis endstop once more (second pass)
G1 H1 Y-535             ; then move slowly to Y axis endstop
G90                     ; absolute positioning
G1 X32 Y50 F108000      ; go to first bed probe point and home Z
G30                     ; home Z by probing the bed

; config-override.g file generated in response to M500 at 2022-05-14 23:47
; This is a system-generated file - do not edit
; Heater model parameters
M307 H1 R1.925 K0.303:0.261 D5.51 E1.35 S0.90 B0 V12.2
; Workplace coordinates
G10 L2 P1 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P2 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P3 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P4 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P5 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P6 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P7 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P8 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
G10 L2 P9 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00

What is the config overide g? I never really looked in there.

M122
=== Diagnostics ===
RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.4.0 (2022-03-15 18:58:31) running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
Board ID: 08DGM-956GU-DJMSN-6JKF2-3S86L-TBRVG
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=== RTOS ===
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Owned mutexes: WiFi(NETWORK)
=== Platform ===
Last reset 00:02:37 ago, cause: power up
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MCU temperature: min 29.6, current 36.9, max 37.2
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Events: 0 queued, 0 completed
Driver 0: standstill, SG min n/a
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Driver 10: 
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=== Heat ===
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=== DueX ===
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=== Network ===
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HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
- WiFi -
Network state is active
WiFi module is connected to access point 
Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 0
WiFi firmware version 1.26
WiFi MAC address 5c:cf:7f:76:72:b4
WiFi Vcc 3.39, reset reason Turned on by main processor
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	M98 P"config.g"
HTTP is enabled on port 80
FTP is disabled
TELNET is disabled

It stops before reaching it in the rear right corner I adjusted the screw manually and eventually it will still do it.

The build surface I have is buildtak.

Phaedrux

@trublu89 said in auto calibration:

It stops before reaching it in the rear right corner I adjusted the screw manually and eventually it will still do it.

Is there anything unique about that corner? Can you try putting the plain white paper there?

trublu89

@phaedrux nope is there a way to just move one z motor instead of all?

fcwilt

@trublu89 said in auto calibration:

@phaedrux nope is there a way to just move one z motor instead of all?

Have you tried Auto Bed Leveling?

Docs where bed leveling is discussed

How do the Z steppers connect to the bed? Do the connections have any give? Are the kinematic connections?

Frederick

trublu89

@fcwilt this is g29 initially and then g29 with s1 at startup code right?

fcwilt

@trublu89

G29 is related to Mesh Bed Compensation which is a feature used during printing to try and adjust for an uneven bed.

G32 is related to Auto Bed Leveling which is a feature used before printing to level the bed. Since you have multiple Z steppers you may be able to use Auto Bed Leveling but it depended on how much "flex" you have in the connections from the Z lead screws to the bed. The firmware probes the bed with your Z probe and attempts to adjust the Z steppers individually to level the bed.

Here is a link to a quick-and-dirty video showing the Auto Bed Leveling feature leveling the bed on my printer. I designed the printer to support bed leveling and I use kinematic mounts to connect the Z belts to the bed. The mounts allow a lot of "flex" so the Z steppers are free to adjust the bed without any binding.

Auto Bed Leveling Video

Frederick

trublu89

@fcwilt I have the flexible z couplers.

trublu89

@fcwilt also what would cause temperature excursion. I have paid tuned several times with and without the fan on.

Phaedrux

@trublu89 said in auto calibration:

@fcwilt also what would cause temperature excursion. I have paid tuned several times with and without the fan on.

What error exactly are you getting and when are you getting it? Did you save the results of the PID tune and have it loaded again at startup? This is usualy done by sending M500 after the tuning to save it to config-override.g and then adding M501 to the end of config.g to load that file at startup.

trublu89

@phaedrux I didn't add the 501 I just entered m500.

It said temperature excursion went from 230 to 250. I think the fan might have been too high I tried to make it to where it cuts on but low not on high but it still is 60 or 80 percent.

Phaedrux

Ideally you should have a silicone nozzle sock installed to insulate the hotend from the fan. The fan duct itself should be aimed away from the nozzle. And for tuning you can use M303 T0 S245 to tune the hotend as a tool, including using the fan during tuning to help compensate.