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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators
      last edited by

      If the heaters turn on when you apply power, then unfortunately it sounds as though there has been a severe over voltage event on the 5V or 3.3V rail that has blown the mosfet driver chip and probably the processor too. Is the processor or any other chip getting hot? What type of Z probe do you use?

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      • SIamundefined
        SIam
        last edited by

        Hello

        this sounds not good 😞 on the board is nothing what is hot. I think you mean the z endstop ? this is a mechanical micro switch.

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        Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
        RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
        Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
        Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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        • SIamundefined
          SIam
          last edited by

          hi,

          now i have controlled the Board Power on the 5 V i have 4.88V and on the 3.3 V i Have 3.1 Volts

          Hypercube-Evolution-Hybrid, Piezo Orion, Orbiter
          Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
          RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
          Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
          Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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          • dc42undefined
            dc42 administrators
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            That's an odd failure mode. I've seen a couple of boards where the 5V or 3.3V rail appears to have been shorted to +12V or +24V, and in both cases the heaters turned on all the time AND some chips were getting hot (usually the 3.3V regulator, processor, and sometimes the 74HCT02 or 74HC125). If the 3.3V rail is only at 3.1V, that does suggest that the 3.3V rail is overloaded, in which case I would expect at least the 3.3V regulator to get hot.

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            • SIamundefined
              SIam
              last edited by

              Today i have checked again all the kable in the hope to find a blank or lose connection which can cause a short circuit something must have happened but i can't find it.
              The only part of the printer which are supplied with 24 V and 3.3V is the hot end but even there I found nothing I'm going crazy.

              I'm an electronics technician myself and this makes it twice bad that i can't find any error

              At one point we agree that the board seems to be defective what may have ever happened is there a way to get this board repaired? if yes how? this board is 2 months old

              Hypercube-Evolution-Hybrid, Piezo Orion, Orbiter
              Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
              RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
              Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
              Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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              • SIamundefined
                SIam
                last edited by

                so far so good the printer works with a new Duet (except Y port) now is only the question what hav i to do to get the first board repaired ? can i send it directly or should i go to my German Seller?

                Hypercube-Evolution-Hybrid, Piezo Orion, Orbiter
                Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
                RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
                Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
                Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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                • dc42undefined
                  dc42 administrators
                  last edited by

                  @SIam:

                  Today i have checked again all the kable in the hope to find a blank or lose connection which can cause a short circuit something must have happened but i can't find it.
                  The only part of the printer which are supplied with 24 V and 3.3V is the hot end but even there I found nothing I'm going crazy.

                  I'm an electronics technician myself and this makes it twice bad that i can't find any error

                  It's not uncommon for the cartridge heater in a hot end to develop a short between the element and the case, sometimes only when is hot. This puts the entire hot end metalwork at +12V or +24V. So you only need a short from the metalwork to something else on the hot end assembly to feed +12V or +24V to somewhere that it shouldn't be. The thermistor connections on the Duet are protected against this, but not the 3.3V pin on the Z probe connector that provides power to the Z probe. What type of Z probe do you have, and is there any possibility that it could have shorted against the hot end metalwork?

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                  • SIamundefined
                    SIam
                    last edited by

                    i don't use a z Probe i only have an Z-endstop switch.

                    here are some photos from the hotend : https://photos.app.goo.gl/GfxbeygkryZRTKCE2

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                    Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
                    RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
                    Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
                    Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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                    • dc42undefined
                      dc42 administrators
                      last edited by

                      So is there any 3.3V wiring on the hot end apart from the thermistor wires?

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                      • elmoretundefined
                        elmoret
                        last edited by

                        Looks like a large DSUB connector, perhaps a stray wire inside that connector shorted +24v to +3.3v?

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                        • SIamundefined
                          SIam
                          last edited by

                          on the first photo you see a gray flat cable this is the only 3.3V to the optical x endstop This cable goes directly to the Duet the other cable (fan/hotend and Thermistor) goes to the sub D connector and then to the Duet.
                          All used pins in The sub D case are isolated with shrinking tube

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                          Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
                          RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
                          Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
                          Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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                          • dc42undefined
                            dc42 administrators
                            last edited by

                            Please put in a warranty claim to your supplier.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                            • SIamundefined
                              SIam
                              last edited by

                              ok Thank You i will contact my supplier

                              Hypercube-Evolution-Hybrid, Piezo Orion, Orbiter
                              Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
                              RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27 11:30:36)
                              Duet WiFi Server: 1.26
                              Duet Web Control 3.4.0beta4 (2021-09-27)

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