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Spindle ON/OFF and speed control issues Duet 3

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    peteupshall @peteupshall
    last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 12:20

    I am using FW version 3.3 and Workbee control 3.3.0- V1.2

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      Nightowl @peteupshall
      last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 12:22

      @peteupshall

      I'm curious why you would use a Workbee configuration for the KillerBee, though?

      I have a fairly straightforward system (without a VFD), which I'd be happy to share, that doesn't have multiple config files.

      Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
      I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

      RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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        peteupshall @Nightowl
        last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 12:25

        @Nightowl I use this purely as I found the Duet Web Control to be missing the Probe window and also the spindle speed window that is available in the WB version.
        Has your DWC got these windows?

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          peteupshall @peteupshall
          last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 12:28

          Do you have spinle control via your Duet? If so I would love to see your config files.

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            Nightowl @peteupshall
            last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 12:33

            @peteupshall
            Good answer!

            It doesn't have the probe window, but I haven't progressed that far, yet! Just one step at a time, for me 😊

            There is a spindle speed control on the Dashboard screen, though.

            To be honest, I tried the WB interface but couldn't get my head around it, and there should be improvements for CNC users with the 3.5 update from Duet, so I'm hanging my hat on that - for now.

            Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
            I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

            RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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              Nightowl @peteupshall
              last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 12:34

              @peteupshall

              Not spindle control, no. I did provide a link on your other post, which should have been of use to you, though?

              Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
              I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

              RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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                peteupshall @Nightowl
                last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 12:38

                @Nightowl Yes I tried all the suggestions but I just cant get it to work as expected.
                Thanks for all your help though.

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                  jay_s_uk @peteupshall
                  last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 13:02

                  @peteupshall you'll need a second output then from another heater output to the FWD connection on the VFD and then add it to the M950 e.g.

                  M950 R0 C"OUT_9+out8"
                  

                  Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                    peteupshall @jay_s_uk
                    last edited by peteupshall 12 Feb 2022, 13:17 2 Dec 2022, 13:05

                    @jay_s_uk Do I need to use some sort of relay?
                    What voltage and settings would i need to provide to FWD from Duet?

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                      jay_s_uk @peteupshall
                      last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 13:34

                      @peteupshall no, just a wire between the negative of the output to the fwd connector

                      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                        peteupshall @jay_s_uk
                        last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 14:14

                        @jay_s_uk Have tried Gnd on pin out 6 to FOR
                        Changed M950 R0 C"out9+out6" L0:24000 Q1000
                        Also tried to put directly into config.g but still no spindle start or stop.
                        Checking again with RUN button on VFD reactivated and I have speed control and sort of a stop control M5 but it just reduces to 500rpm not a complete stop.
                        Any further ideas?

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                          jay_s_uk @peteupshall
                          last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 14:18

                          @peteupshall just checked my wiring and I also have a wire between the + of the heater output and DCM on the top row.
                          some more info can be found here https://wiki.printnc.info/en/electronics/vfd/config#h-0-5v

                          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                            peteupshall @jay_s_uk
                            last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 15:08

                            @jay_s_uk So So close now. I now have spindle on and off and speed control via web control and gcode .
                            The only thing still not working is M5- Stop. When M5 is activated the spindle drops to about 500rpm, although VFD still shows 12000rpm, and stays there.
                            Is there a minimum RPM setting somewhere?
                            Thanks for your support so far you have been awesome!

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                              peteupshall @peteupshall
                              last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 15:18

                              Also just noticed that as I have to press STOP on the VFD to stop spindle I then can't restart using Web Control or Gcode.
                              Also when set at 12000rpm on web control it shows just over 13500rpm on VFD. Is this just a case of fine tuning the 0-10v converter?

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                                jay_s_uk @peteupshall
                                last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 15:25

                                @peteupshall yes, it just a case of adjusting the screw on the PWM converter.
                                You need to set the minimum RPM in M950. I think the spindle I have has a minimum RPM of 6000

                                Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                  peteupshall @jay_s_uk
                                  last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 15:31

                                  @jay_s_uk Minimum rpm is currently set to 0, should it be something else then?

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                                    jay_s_uk @peteupshall
                                    last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 15:32

                                    @peteupshall yes. more than likely there will be a minimum RPM that your spindle can work at, set it to that

                                    Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                      peteupshall @jay_s_uk
                                      last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 15:38

                                      @jay_s_uk Minimum RPM on specs is 0 but have tried it at 600 but still the same.
                                      If I adjust the 12000rpm it knocks the 24000rpm which is spot on, would it be an innacuracy with the 0-10v converter?

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                                        Nightowl @jay_s_uk
                                        last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 15:46

                                        @jay_s_uk
                                        That might depend on the milling motor or spindle.

                                        I (now) know the Sorotec and Mafell have a minimum speed of 4,000RPM, but the AMB/Kress does go down to 0.

                                        I'm not sure about water/air-cooled spindles, though.

                                        Few things are more dangerous than taking the advice of someone who thinks he knows what he's doing.
                                        I'm still on my learning curve, so take everything I say with caution!

                                        RatRig 1075, Duet3 MB6HC, Sorotec SFM 1000 PV-ER milling motor, Hobbyist

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                                          jay_s_uk @Nightowl
                                          last edited by 2 Dec 2022, 15:47

                                          @Nightowl mines a water cooled one. no idea what spindle is being used here

                                          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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