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    Phaedrux Moderator
    last edited by Phaedrux 18 Feb 2025, 21:06

    Can you remove the mounting hardware as well so we can see the traces underneath?

    If you have a multimeter, could you try measuring the voltage between each end of L1 and ground, or the voltage across ceramic capacitor C3?

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      vmog23
      last edited by 18 Feb 2025, 21:19

      Oh sorry, here it is naked. Lol

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        Phaedrux Moderator
        last edited by 18 Feb 2025, 22:10

        If you have a multimeter, could you try measuring the voltage between each end of L1 and ground, or the voltage across ceramic capacitor C3?

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          vmog23
          last edited by 18 Feb 2025, 22:40

          On one side of L1 it reads 3.3v and on the other about 58mv and across C3 I read about 58mv as well.

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            dc42 administrators @vmog23
            last edited by 19 Feb 2025, 13:18

            @vmog23 is there actually a component in position L1? From your photos I think it's either missing, or it is very well camouflaged! (i.e. the same colour as the PCB).

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              vmog23
              last edited by 19 Feb 2025, 13:46

              Looking at it again you are correct. There is an outline and solder on L1 but no component.

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                dc42 administrators @vmog23
                last edited by 19 Feb 2025, 15:18

                @vmog23 thanks, as the SE was working before I think it must have been knocked off. The 3.3V power passes through L1 so that explains why the LED doesn't light up at all. Has the SE collided with anything?

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                  vmog23
                  last edited by 19 Feb 2025, 15:37

                  Not at all especially not from I was testing to the following day when it stopped working. It just weird.

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                    vmog23
                    last edited by 19 Feb 2025, 21:19

                    I'm guessing that would also stop it from send a response back to the duet when should trigger the z stop, is that correct?

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                      Phaedrux Moderator @dc42
                      last edited by 20 Feb 2025, 00:31

                      @dc42 said in Smart Effector v4 z probe not lighting up:

                      @vmog23 thanks, as the SE was working before I think it must have been knocked off. The 3.3V power passes through L1 so that explains why the LED doesn't light up at all. Has the SE collided with anything?

                      Is L1 user replaceable?

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                        dc42 administrators @vmog23
                        last edited by 20 Feb 2025, 17:46

                        @vmog23 said in Smart Effector v4 z probe not lighting up:

                        I'm guessing that would also stop it from send a response back to the duet when should trigger the z stop, is that correct?

                        Yes,

                        @Phaedrux said in Smart Effector v4 z probe not lighting up:

                        Is L1 user replaceable?

                        It's not hard to replace for anyone used to soldering, it needs a soldering iron with a fairly fine tip. As it's probably been knocked off, the original part may be lying around somewhere near the bottom of the printer. If not, the part number we use is Wurth 742792641. However, almost any 0805 ferrite bead will do, and you could even get away with bridging the pads using a piece of wire.

                        @vmog23 if you don't think it could have got knocked off by some sort of sideways blow, please post a close-up photo of the L1 pads so that we can asses whether the soldering could have been faulty.

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                          vmog23
                          last edited by 20 Feb 2025, 19:17

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                          Hope this picture is good enough because my phones camera isn't the greatest at a close up pictures if not I can try and find my camera.

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                            vmog23
                            last edited by 20 Feb 2025, 20:09

                            I just tried to jump it with a wire just to test it and I still did not get any lights or response.

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                              dc42 administrators @vmog23
                              last edited by 20 Feb 2025, 20:15

                              @vmog23 I get sharper close-up photos from my camera if I move it a little farther away from the board and then zoom in.

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                                vmog23
                                last edited by 20 Feb 2025, 20:36

                                Thanks for the tip, here is a better picture. 20250220_143604.jpg

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                                  droftarts administrators @vmog23
                                  last edited by 24 Feb 2025, 12:37

                                  @vmog23 Thanks for the photos. Were the two close up photos taken before or after you tried to bridge it with wire? Did you solder the wire on, or just hold it on the L1 pads? Just trying to ascertain if the solder on the pads has been remelted.

                                  We think that the 2.8V regulator at U1 failed. This supplies 2.8V to the probe circuitry. It is powered by 3.3V (VCC) via pin 1 of INPUT2, via L1 (see the SmartEffector schematic here). If it failed with 3.3V shorted to ground, it would explain why L1 has disappeared, which probably overheated, melted the solder and fell off. It would also explain why bridging L1 doesn't revive the probe.

                                  As such, we are happy to offer you a warranty replacement. Please send an email to warranty@duet3d.com and CC your reseller. Include a link to this forum thread and the details of your original purchase. You'll receive a reply with a form to fill out.

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                                    vmog23
                                    last edited by 24 Feb 2025, 14:45

                                    Thanks for the follow-up. The one picture was taken before and one after but I just held the wire on there with my finger and did not solder it on. Thank you, I will send the email a little later. I do appreciate all the help from everyone!

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