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    • developeralgo222undefined
      developeralgo222 @fcwilt
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      @fcwilt
      X-axis = 340 mm and Y-axis = 447mm.

      I think i only have extra additional of -2.0516mm on X-axis on the low end and -4.0244mm on Y-axis

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      • fcwiltundefined
        fcwilt @developeralgo222
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        @developeralgo222 said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

        @fcwilt
        X-axis = 340 mm and Y-axis = 447mm.

        I think i only have extra additional of -2.0516mm on X-axis on the low end and -4.0244mm on Y-axis

        OK then your first G1 H1 move would be

        G1 H1 X-345 F5000
        

        You can pick a speed (the F parameter) that works best for you - it's not critical but you can go too fast.

        At what position does the X endstop trigger? Are you treating that as X=0?

        Frederick

        Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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        • developeralgo222undefined
          developeralgo222 @fcwilt
          last edited by developeralgo222

          @fcwilt said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

          At what position does the X endstop trigger? Are you treating that as X=0?

          Yes at X=0. Do i need to test this on the command console or just put them in a homing file and test on DWC ?

          something like this on homex.g ?

          G91
          G1 H1 X-345 F5000 ; use a value large enough to move the entire length of the X axis
          G1 X10
          G1 H1 X-15 F500
          G1 X0 
          G92 X0 
          G90
          
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          • fcwiltundefined
            fcwilt @developeralgo222
            last edited by fcwilt

            @developeralgo222 said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

            As I mentioned if the endstop triggers at the end of the axis travel and you are treating that as X=0 then you don't need the following:

            G1 Xnnn
            G92 Xppp
            

            They are ONLY needed when the endstop is not triggering at X=0

            In your case this should work for you:

            G91
            G1 H1 X-345 F5000
            G1 X10
            G1 H1 X-15 F500
            

            Now if you have specified your X axis with M208 -170:170, meaning X=0 is at the center of the axis you could add the following:

            G90
            G1 X0 F5000
            

            Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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            • developeralgo222undefined
              developeralgo222 @fcwilt
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              @fcwilt said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

              Now if you have specified your X axis with M208 -170:170, meaning X=0 is at the center of the axis you could add the following:

              i have M208 X0:340 Y0:447

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              • developeralgo222undefined
                developeralgo222 @developeralgo222
                last edited by

                @developeralgo222

                Attached is my config

                config.g

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                • fcwiltundefined
                  fcwilt @developeralgo222
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                  @developeralgo222 said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

                  i have M208 X0:340 Y0:447

                  That is fine - you don't have to have X=0 at the center of the bed. Some folks just prefer it that way - I am one of them.

                  Frederick

                  Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                  • developeralgo222undefined
                    developeralgo222 @fcwilt
                    last edited by developeralgo222

                    @fcwilt
                    That worked for X &Y and Z , i am going through all the axes one-by-one following your insights .

                    How do you configure the endstops of a shared z-axis cam based

                    Nozzle_Pair_Shared_Z-axis.png

                    i have to configure endstops for 6-Nozzles ( 2 Nozzles share a single Z-axis based Stepper motor ) so that they trigger correctly

                    i.e 3 Stepper Motors for Z, U, V axis but each axis shared with 2 nozzles each with a Z-axis type.

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                    • fcwiltundefined
                      fcwilt @developeralgo222
                      last edited by

                      @developeralgo222 said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

                      How do you configure the endstops of a shared z-axis cam based

                      Nozzle_Pair_Shared_Z-axis.png

                      i have to configure endstops for 6-Nozzles ( 2 Nozzles share a single Z-axis based Stepper motor ) so that they trigger correctly

                      i.e 3 Stepper Motors for Z, U, V axis but each axis shared with 2 nozzles each with a Z-axis type.

                      That is not a setup I have seen or heard of.

                      Does the "Z stepper" turn the cam to raise/lower the nozzle?

                      Does each nozzle have it's own endstop sensor?

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                      • developeralgo222undefined
                        developeralgo222 @fcwilt
                        last edited by developeralgo222

                        @fcwilt said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

                        Does each nozzle have it's own endstop sensor?

                        Yes, Each Nozzle has its own endstop . With CAM kind of shared axis when it moves down 1 nozzle the other stays at zero or is lifted back to zero point by the spring to where there is a stopper to prevent it from flying over.

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                        • fcwiltundefined
                          fcwilt @developeralgo222
                          last edited by

                          @developeralgo222 said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

                          Does each nozzle have it's own endstop sensor?

                          Yes, Each Nozzle has its own endstop . With CAM kind of shared axis when it moves down 1 nozzle the other stays at zero or is lifted back to zero point by the spring to where there is a stopper to prevent it from flying over.

                          OK.

                          Since you are using NPN sensors the outputs pull the inputs they are connected to to ground (GND)

                          I'm assuming only one of the sensors has the beam of light blocked when the nozzle is down.

                          If I am reading the spec sheet correctly the white wire is pulled to ground when the beam is blocked.

                          If so, you would want to connect both of the white wires to the Duet input and use the ! prefix character to treat the low input signal as active.

                          As before you would have a G1 H1 move in the direction of the sensor.

                          Are these nozzles simply up or down OR do they move over a range of vertical travel?

                          Frederick

                          Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                          • developeralgo222undefined
                            developeralgo222 @fcwilt
                            last edited by developeralgo222

                            @fcwilt said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

                            Are these nozzles simply up or down OR do they move over a range of vertical travel?

                            They move over a vertical range of travel actually from 0 to -/+ 70 before they trigger the endstop . all have a range of -90:90 but technically
                            so
                            (1) On Z-Axis Motor , Z1 has a move range from 0 to -90 and Z2 has a move range from 0 to +90. When one is down , then other is always at zero
                            (2) On U-Axis Motor , Z3 has a move range from 0 to -90 and Z4 has a move range from 0 to +90. When one is down , then other is always at zero
                            (3) On V-Axis Motor , Z5 has a move range from 0 to -90 and Z6 has a move range from 0 to +90. When one is down , then other is always at zero

                            IMG_3501.jpg

                            IMG_3500.jpg

                            IMG_3502.jpg

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                            • fcwiltundefined
                              fcwilt @developeralgo222
                              last edited by

                              @developeralgo222

                              Thanks, that makes things more clear.

                              The homing code should be pretty much the same as before, though I don't actually know how the firmware handles two endstops.

                              How do you convert stepper position to nozzle position?

                              Frederick

                              Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                              • developeralgo222undefined
                                developeralgo222 @fcwilt
                                last edited by developeralgo222

                                @fcwilt said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

                                How do you convert stepper position to nozzle position?

                                its just Z-axis as any other , no difference .The CAM on the motor just moves or rotates clockwise or counterclockwise to move the nozzles on the Z-based axes up or down

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                                • droftartsundefined
                                  droftarts administrators @developeralgo222
                                  last edited by droftarts

                                  @developeralgo222 As each endstop is triggered at the end of movement for each nozzle, I would think you are best off redefining the endstop when a different tool is requested, followed by a move to trigger that endstop. eg something like

                                  ; home Z1
                                  M574 Z1 S1 P"1.io0.in"  ; configure active high endstop switch for low end on Z via pin 1.io0.in
                                  G91                     ; Use relative positioning
                                  G1 H1 Z-180             ; go to endstop
                                  G90                     ; Use absolute positioning
                                  
                                  ; home Z2
                                  M574 Z2 S1 P"1.io1.in"             ; configure active high endstop switch for High end on Z via pin 1.io1.in
                                  G91                     ; Use relative positioning
                                  G1 H1 Z180              ; go to endstop
                                  G90                     ; Use absolute positioning
                                  

                                  I'm not sure how this would interact with OpenPNP, though.

                                  Ian

                                  Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                                  • developeralgo222undefined
                                    developeralgo222 @droftarts
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                                    @droftarts said in Homeall.g fails when homing all axes:

                                    I'm not sure how this would interact with OpenPNP, though.

                                    this is where i am also having doubts how that would work with OpenPNP

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                                    • droftartsundefined
                                      droftarts administrators @developeralgo222
                                      last edited by

                                      @developeralgo222 How does OpenPNP enable a tool? If it uses tool commands, eg T0, T1, T2 etc, then you can put the above code in the tpre#.g tool change macro. See https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Tuning/Tool_changing

                                      Ian

                                      Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                                      • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                        T3P3Tony administrators @developeralgo222
                                        last edited by

                                        @developeralgo222

                                        I would get it working directly and then see how that translates to OpenPnP

                                        www.duet3d.com

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                                        • developeralgo222undefined
                                          developeralgo222 @droftarts
                                          last edited by developeralgo222

                                          @droftarts @T3P3Tony @dc42

                                          FYI,

                                          this method doesn't work on both Duet and OpenPnP. Only one end point is active & can be triggered on the shared axis Z, U or V. I am not sure how to configure this is Duet3 for it to work.

                                          Can someone help on this ?

                                          1740539457723-nozzle_pair_shared_z-axis.png

                                          i have 1 motor for each CAM shared Z-type axis . i.e 3 Axes ( Z , U , V ) each with its own Motor controlling the shared axis with Nozzle pair

                                          Z-axis is shared between CAM Z1 (Has an Endstop1 & Nozzle 1 ) & Z2 axis ( Has an Endstop2 &Nozzle 2)

                                          V-axis is shared between CAM Z3 (Has an Endstop3 & Nozzle 3 ) & Z4 axis (Has an Endstop4 & Nozzle 4)

                                          V-axis is shared between CAM Z5 (Has an Endstop5 & Nozzle 5 ) & Z6 axis (Has an Endstop6 & Nozzle 6)

                                          Z , U , V ( Z-Axis = (Z1, Z2), U-Axis = (Z3, Z4), V-Axis= (Z5, Z6) ) only Z2 , Z4, Z6 triggers Z , U , V respectively but not Z1, Z3, Z5

                                          They move over a vertical Z-based axis range of travel actually from 0 to -/+70 degrees before they trigger the endstop . all have a rotational range of -90:90 but technically
                                          so
                                          (1) On Z-Axis Motor , Z1 has a move range from 0 to -90 and Z2 has a move range from 0 to +90. When one is down , then other is always at zero
                                          (2) On U-Axis Motor , Z3 has a move range from 0 to -90 and Z4 has a move range from 0 to +90. When one is down , then other is always at zero
                                          (3) On V-Axis Motor , Z5 has a move range from 0 to -90 and Z6 has a move range from 0 to +90. When one is down , then other is always at zero

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                                          • developeralgo222undefined
                                            developeralgo222 @developeralgo222
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                                            @developeralgo222

                                            Any help on this please ?

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