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    OBELIKS
    last edited by OBELIKS 27 Jul 2018, 17:28

    @deckingman Ah, not hardened, OK then. Thanks.
    I haven't even tried, I'm just from the vacation. The good thing is that next week I'm still at home.

    P3Steel Toolson mk2 - Duet 2 WiFi --> RatRig V-Core with Duet WiFi 1.03
    Original Prusa i3 MK3S

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      deckingman @OBELIKS
      last edited by 27 Jul 2018, 17:44

      @obeliks Yes it's dead easy to do. I've filed flats on all 10 of my motors.

      Ian
      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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        wilriker @OBELIKS
        last edited by wilriker 27 Jul 2018, 17:57

        @obeliks said in My custom Cartesian:

        First thing, package was here in 3 working days and it came from Germany.

        Yeah, Wantai has a European warehouse in Hamburg here in Germany. So, if you ordered from their "EU Stock" it'll come from there. 🙂

        Manuel
        Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
        with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
        My Tool Collection

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          OBELIKS
          last edited by 1 Aug 2018, 09:15

          Results are in they are about 5dB quieter and 5°C cooler than stock A8 steppers
          Also, it seems I am melting.

          P3Steel Toolson mk2 - Duet 2 WiFi --> RatRig V-Core with Duet WiFi 1.03
          Original Prusa i3 MK3S

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            wilriker @OBELIKS
            last edited by 1 Aug 2018, 10:57

            @obeliks Definitely sounds great! 👍 At what settings do you run them?

            Manuel
            Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
            with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
            My Tool Collection

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              OBELIKS
              last edited by 1 Aug 2018, 15:23

              Just like on A8 steppers 50%, so 1200mA in case of Wantai.
              The loudest ones are Z-axis, but that is related to M5 leadscrew.

              P3Steel Toolson mk2 - Duet 2 WiFi --> RatRig V-Core with Duet WiFi 1.03
              Original Prusa i3 MK3S

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                Witchdoctr
                last edited by 7 Aug 2018, 02:55

                Just wanted to say thank you for your build log.

                I went a very similar route to you, started with an Anet A8 and am now left with a box full of spare bits that looks suspiciously like an Anet A8 (Only thing left is the stepper motors and guides)...

                The Duet was a bit of a pain to configure after using Marlin but the first test benches turned out like a dream with your settings.

                So thanks again!

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                  wilriker @Witchdoctr
                  last edited by 7 Aug 2018, 07:39

                  @witchdoctr said in My custom Cartesian:

                  The Duet was a bit of a pain to configure after using Marlin but the first test benches turned out like a dream with your settings.

                  I'm glad that this helped you. 🙂

                  Manuel
                  Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                  with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                  My Tool Collection

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                    wilriker
                    last edited by 23 Aug 2018, 18:56

                    @OBELIKS Can you measure the length of your Anet stock steppers? I just measured the length of the newer 0.9A steppers and they are not 40mm but only 37.3mm long.

                    So compared to the 48mm long Wantai steppers (would you be so kind to measure their length as well?) that is an extra of over 10mm and I have a feeling that I will not be able to fit them everywhere. 😕

                    Manuel
                    Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                    with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                    My Tool Collection

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                      OBELIKS @wilriker
                      last edited by 23 Aug 2018, 19:10

                      @wilriker sure, tomorrow. I wrapped up for today.

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                      Original Prusa i3 MK3S

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                        OBELIKS
                        last edited by 23 Aug 2018, 19:23

                        Eh, I needed to fetch a beer from the storage. So I hopped in to the "workshop"
                        Anet steppers are 37,8mm long and Wantai real length is 46,8mm.
                        And the beer is imperial IPA with 10% alcohol. And it is brilliant.

                        P3Steel Toolson mk2 - Duet 2 WiFi --> RatRig V-Core with Duet WiFi 1.03
                        Original Prusa i3 MK3S

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                          wilriker @OBELIKS
                          last edited by 23 Aug 2018, 19:42

                          @obeliks said in My custom Cartesian:

                          Eh, I needed to fetch a beer from the storage. So I hopped in to the "workshop"
                          Anet steppers are 37,8mm long and Wantai real length is 46,8mm.

                          Thanks for that! 👍 Will measure on the weekend of I can fit them. Biggest issue might be Y axis as my heat bed holder has only a certain width cutout for the motor.

                          And the beer is imperial IPA with 10% alcohol. And it is brilliant.

                          I am all but a beer type but happy that you have something you enjoy. 🙂

                          Manuel
                          Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                          with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                          My Tool Collection

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                            OBELIKS
                            last edited by 23 Aug 2018, 19:45

                            If it's aluminum bed holder, just chop it.

                            P3Steel Toolson mk2 - Duet 2 WiFi --> RatRig V-Core with Duet WiFi 1.03
                            Original Prusa i3 MK3S

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                              wilriker @OBELIKS
                              last edited by wilriker 23 Aug 2018, 19:51

                              @obeliks It is aluminium. Though, I have some concerns of messing with the statics of it if I chop it. But first I need to find out if it will be an issue after all. 😁

                              Manuel
                              Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                              with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                              My Tool Collection

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                                wilriker
                                last edited by wilriker 24 Aug 2018, 12:18

                                OK, I looked into the dxf file that is used to cut the bed holder and it has a clearance of 58mm for the Y motor. 46.8mm motor + 6mm damper leaves 5.2mm for the thickness of the motor holder (which I am not absolutely sure but I think is 3mm) and some clearance to compensate any amount of mounting skew... this will be tight... And as you can see on the image of the seller below there is not much room for removing further material without coming really close to some existing holes

                                heat bed holder

                                Manuel
                                Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                                with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                                My Tool Collection

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                                  OBELIKS
                                  last edited by 24 Aug 2018, 12:30

                                  Damper? I think those will not be needed.
                                  As I said these are a lot quieter.
                                  You should measure on the printer itself. Any other theoretical calculations will be off, by my experience.

                                  P3Steel Toolson mk2 - Duet 2 WiFi --> RatRig V-Core with Duet WiFi 1.03
                                  Original Prusa i3 MK3S

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                                    wilriker @OBELIKS
                                    last edited by 24 Aug 2018, 12:38

                                    @obeliks For the current motors the dampers make a huge difference especially for the Y motor. I feel a little hesitant to assume that the "long" silent motors are even more silent without the damper - and they would at least have to be equal in noise to the current setup. But still it is tempting. 😉 And 5dB are nearly 4-times louder/quieter (depending on reference).
                                    I never measured the actual difference when adding the damper, though, except for listening at them.

                                    And of course I will have to also measure on the printer itself to be sure about the cutout.

                                    Manuel
                                    Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                                    with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                                    My Tool Collection

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                                      OBELIKS @wilriker
                                      last edited by 24 Aug 2018, 12:40

                                      @wilriker A question regarding the dampers. Are they stiff enough not to introduce backlash?

                                      P3Steel Toolson mk2 - Duet 2 WiFi --> RatRig V-Core with Duet WiFi 1.03
                                      Original Prusa i3 MK3S

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                                        wilriker @OBELIKS
                                        last edited by 24 Aug 2018, 12:49

                                        @obeliks Actually I don't even know that. I guess so because they feel very stiff. But of course it introduces another elastic element besides the belt into the system. So it will at least add a very minimal amount of backlash.

                                        Now that I think of it my ghosting problems with infill visible on the outside of a Benchy might be backlash issues...

                                        Manuel
                                        Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                                        with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                                        My Tool Collection

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                                          OBELIKS
                                          last edited by 24 Aug 2018, 13:00

                                          Do you have a picture of that Benchy?

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                                          Original Prusa i3 MK3S

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