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    justinds89
    last edited by 20 May 2019, 03:16

    Hello everyone!

    I just built a HyperCube Evolution with DuetWifi.

    I noticed that the hotend heater will steadily climb to about 200-210 and then start fluctuating before showing a heater fault.

    Could anyone please hello me figure out what could cause this or how to resolve this so I can print?

    Thanks!

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      Veti
      last edited by 20 May 2019, 05:55

      have you done a pid tune?
      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Tuning_the_heater_temperature_control

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        justinds89
        last edited by 20 May 2019, 12:38

        I have not. I will checkout the link you sent and see if I can't figure out how to do that.

        Hopefully that will solve the problem.

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          A Former User @justinds89
          last edited by A Former User 20 May 2019, 20:28

          @justinds89

          Can you add a screenshot of the "graph" on the Duet-Web-Conrol? Can you give some more info on type of heater & temperature-sensor (also it is a "heater-fault" usually the problem is either PID-tuning or the temperature-sensor...)

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            justinds89
            last edited by 20 May 2019, 20:43

            I will post a screenshot later when I can.

            I am using a 24v 40w heat cartridge and a E3D thermistor cartridge.

            Temp sensor is new and I have not done any PID tuning.

            I saw the wiki entry, but can anyone tell me how to properly PID tune the hotend?

            Not sure how to store the value or what to do with it.

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              A Former User @justinds89
              last edited by A Former User 20 May 2019, 20:45

              @justinds89

              Well, basically you just copy and past those lines into the "g-code-console" if you think all your wiring is good and your heater/temp-sensor is in a state where you can "fire it up":
              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Tuning_the_heater_temperature_control#Section_Setting_the_model_parameters_by_auto_tuning

              e.g. for firmware 1.18beta1 and later, it seems it states:

              M303 H1 S240 ; auto tune heater 1, default PWM, 240C target or maximum temperature
              M303 ; report the auto-tune status or last result
              M500 ; save results in config-override.g

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                justinds89 @A Former User
                last edited by 20 May 2019, 20:47

                @lb Ah okay, so after running those commands there isn't anything I need to set in config.g or anything?

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                  justinds89
                  last edited by 20 May 2019, 21:35

                  Here's a current screenshot after PID tuning. I almost think it's worse...

                  0_1558388082412_Temp graph.JPG

                  Not really sure what could be causing this.

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                    justinds89
                    last edited by 20 May 2019, 21:36

                    It's kind of going steady right now, so maybe it's okay.

                    I will run a print and see what happens.

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                      justinds89
                      last edited by 20 May 2019, 21:39

                      Spoke too soon.

                      0_1558388357862_Heater Fault.JPG

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                        siblues
                        last edited by 20 May 2019, 23:44

                        I had similar issues with mine and it ended up being the wiring.The extruder movement was causing the connection to be lost for fractions of a second causing the dips in the graph.

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                          JamesM
                          last edited by 21 May 2019, 00:30

                          The wiring on the E3D thermistor cartridges are delicate. I went through a few before I realized I had to constrain the wires once installed so they wouldn't move\shake during printing. Once I did that I've been on the same one for about 2 months now without issue.

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                            justinds89
                            last edited by justinds89 21 May 2019, 00:48

                            I've tried moving the wires all over and no blips in the graph, but once I start a print out may do it in just a few minutes or may take an hour. I don't get what it could be. Everything looks good.

                            I may just try swapping the thermistor out.

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                              siblues
                              last edited by 21 May 2019, 02:25

                              Have you checked the plug that plugs into the Duet itself it may have a bad crimp on the terminal?

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                                justinds89 @siblues
                                last edited by 21 May 2019, 02:32

                                @siblues

                                Yes I did. I may just reterminate it again to role it out.

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                                  siblues
                                  last edited by 21 May 2019, 02:49

                                  Yeah if that doesn't rule out a bad connection then I would try another thermistor and see what happens.The thermistor is a cartridge type right?

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                                    justinds89 @siblues
                                    last edited by 21 May 2019, 02:51

                                    @siblues yes it is, I actually just swapped it out so we will see.

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                                      jay_s_uk
                                      last edited by 21 May 2019, 05:54

                                      Does it happen when your part cooling fan turns on? If so, run the PID tuning with the fan on 100%

                                      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                        justinds89 @jay_s_uk
                                        last edited by 21 May 2019, 12:59

                                        @jay_s_uk It does it regardless if the fan is off or on and it does not change when I manually turn the cooling fan on.

                                        I plan on trying it out tonight with the new thermistor.

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                                          A Former User @justinds89
                                          last edited by A Former User 21 May 2019, 16:34

                                          @justinds89 said in Heater Fault:

                                          @lb Ah okay, so after running those commands there isn't anything I need to set in config.g or anything?

                                          I think you just have to check if you have a config-override.g in your /sys/

                                          You can also update by hand the vals thrown back in the console into your config.g (I would refer to it as "old style") but you can get tired of it over time, and I guess that is why you can automate all that by M500 that saves everything into the config-override.g...

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