Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers

Capricorn

@veti

this is the power for the external motor drivers, not to the duet2

Veti

@capricorn

please draw a diagram. this is getting confusing.

including all power supplies and the wires between them.

Capricorn

@veti
that´s easy.

12V and 5V go to the duet2
41V go to the external motor drivers

Veti

and how are the power supplies connected to each other?

Capricorn

@veti

this are 3 different power supplies. one end each to 220V the other end to the 5v/12v input duet2 and 41v to the motor drivers. No direct connection (except 220V) between them.

Veti

see this for the wiring of the duex
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duex2_and_Duex5_Features#Section_Wiring

the entire wiring is about avoiding current flow between gnd connections.

and in your case you have several non connected gnd connections.

Capricorn

@veti

not suitable for me, because i have no duex2 oder duex5 board. i have the duet2 ethernet and the expansion breakout bord. the breakout board is only connected by the 50Pin connector

Veti

it would still cause a grounding loop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)

there is also a very specific warning for the duet where you have a separate 5v supply via usb.
see
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/USB_ground_loops

Capricorn

@veti

hmmmm... now i´m unsure myself.... maybe dc42 can light this issue up?

Capricorn

@dc42

To the question of groundloops...

is my power distribution ok?

jhonf441

@capricorn said in Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers:

@dc42

to clarify how my extern drivers are connected:
all Step+/Dir+ from the ext. drivers go to +5V.
all Step-/Dir- from the ext. drivers go to the corresponding pins on the breakout board

I can not read in its description, where the EN pins of the external drivers are connected.

@capricorn said in Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers:

@dc42

To the question of groundloops...

is my power distribution ok?

GND (-) from all sources should be a common point, to that the logical levels that reach the external drivers are measured with respect to a single GND of the entire system.

dc42

@capricorn said in Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers:

@veti

not suitable for me, because i have no duex2 oder duex5 board. i have the duet2 ethernet and the expansion breakout board. the breakout board is only connected by the 50Pin connector

Can you provide photos of your wiring between the expansion breakout board and the stepper drivers, so that I can check it?

@veti said in Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers:

it would still cause a grounding loop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)
there is also a very specific warning for the duet where you have a separate 5v supply via usb.
see
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/USB_ground_loops

Should not be a problem if the 5V and main PSUs are in the same case, fed by the same mains cable.

Capricorn

@dc42
I think you won't see much.

Capricorn

@dc42

Capricorn

@dc42
I hope you can see anything. I'm 100% shure, there is nö mistake in the cabling. I checked every single connection more than once, incl. with Multimeter.

jhonf441

@capricorn You need to connect each ENABLE signal that comes from the breakout board to ENA (-) of each driver.

Capricorn

@jhonf441
No, not necessary and my drivers don't work at all, when connected.

Capricorn

@dc42
Maybe this helps to localize the problem :
I measured the resistance between the different
Step- Ports:
X>Y = 9.74 kOhm
Z>Y = 9.74 kOhm
X>Z = 3.30 Ohm!!!
Maybe the Breakoutboard is damaged?
But i'm uncertain, because this measurements are always the same, no matter which combination of Ports 5-9 I use.
Not connected to the Breakoutboard the resistance
in each xyz combination is 7.75 kOhm (because of the common 5V line to each driver)

dc42

I was already thinking that it's time to try a new breakout board and ribbon cable. Please ask your supplier to replace them. https://www.duet3d.com/warranty

Capricorn

@dc42
OK, i'll try that.
Thank you so much, I will report if that works.
Meanwhile I finished cabling and everything works great , only the Motors