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    • Capricornundefined
      Capricorn @dc42
      last edited by Capricorn

      @dc42

      testet, konstant 4.45V. I take the 5V from the breakout board. Should i take it from the main board?
      Or direct of the power supply?

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      • dc42undefined
        dc42 administrators @Capricorn
        last edited by

        @capricorn, I mean the main power to your external stepper drivers - 12V, 24V, 36V or whatever you are using.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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        • Vetiundefined
          Veti
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          @capricorn said in Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers:

          i test that... but i think so, cause i serve 5V to the board with a extern 50W power supply

          how do you wire the two power supplies? i think the negative needs to be connected between the two, but i am not 100% sure.

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          • Capricornundefined
            Capricorn @dc42
            last edited by Capricorn

            @dc42

            konstant 41V motors driving , i´m using a 600W power supply

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti
              last edited by

              i dont think 41v is supported

              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_the_power_supply

              The Duet 2 (Wifi and Ethernet) work with a VIN supply of between 11V and 25V

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              • Capricornundefined
                Capricorn @Veti
                last edited by

                @veti
                i don´t think so....

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                • Capricornundefined
                  Capricorn @Veti
                  last edited by

                  @veti

                  this is the power for the external motor drivers, not to the duet2

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                  • Vetiundefined
                    Veti @Capricorn
                    last edited by

                    @capricorn

                    please draw a diagram. this is getting confusing.

                    including all power supplies and the wires between them.

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                    • Capricornundefined
                      Capricorn @Veti
                      last edited by

                      @veti
                      that´s easy.

                      12V and 5V go to the duet2
                      41V go to the external motor drivers

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                      • Vetiundefined
                        Veti
                        last edited by

                        and how are the power supplies connected to each other?

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                        • Capricornundefined
                          Capricorn @Veti
                          last edited by Capricorn

                          @veti

                          this are 3 different power supplies. one end each to 220V the other end to the 5v/12v input duet2 and 41v to the motor drivers. No direct connection (except 220V) between them.

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                          • Vetiundefined
                            Veti
                            last edited by

                            see this for the wiring of the duex
                            https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duex2_and_Duex5_Features#Section_Wiring

                            the entire wiring is about avoiding current flow between gnd connections.

                            and in your case you have several non connected gnd connections.

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                            • Capricornundefined
                              Capricorn @Veti
                              last edited by

                              @veti

                              not suitable for me, because i have no duex2 oder duex5 board. i have the duet2 ethernet and the expansion breakout bord. the breakout board is only connected by the 50Pin connector

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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti
                                last edited by

                                it would still cause a grounding loop.
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)

                                there is also a very specific warning for the duet where you have a separate 5v supply via usb.
                                see
                                https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/USB_ground_loops

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                                • Capricornundefined
                                  Capricorn @Veti
                                  last edited by

                                  @veti

                                  hmmmm... now i´m unsure myself.... maybe dc42 can light this issue up?

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                                  • Capricornundefined
                                    Capricorn @dc42
                                    last edited by

                                    @dc42

                                    To the question of groundloops...

                                    is my power distribution ok?
                                    0_1560011080018_Power_Distribution.JPG

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                                    • jhonf441undefined
                                      jhonf441 @Capricorn
                                      last edited by jhonf441

                                      @capricorn said in Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers:

                                      @dc42

                                      to clarify how my extern drivers are connected:
                                      all Step+/Dir+ from the ext. drivers go to +5V.
                                      all Step-/Dir- from the ext. drivers go to the corresponding pins on the breakout board

                                      I can not read in its description, where the EN pins of the external drivers are connected.

                                      @capricorn said in Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers:

                                      @dc42

                                      To the question of groundloops...

                                      is my power distribution ok?
                                      0_1560011080018_Power_Distribution.JPG

                                      GND (-) from all sources should be a common point, to that the logical levels that reach the external drivers are measured with respect to a single GND of the entire system.

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                                      • dc42undefined
                                        dc42 administrators @Capricorn
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                                        @capricorn said in Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers:

                                        @veti

                                        not suitable for me, because i have no duex2 oder duex5 board. i have the duet2 ethernet and the expansion breakout board. the breakout board is only connected by the 50Pin connector

                                        Can you provide photos of your wiring between the expansion breakout board and the stepper drivers, so that I can check it?

                                        @veti said in Very strange behavior, CoreXY with external drivers:

                                        it would still cause a grounding loop.
                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)
                                        there is also a very specific warning for the duet where you have a separate 5v supply via usb.
                                        see
                                        https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/USB_ground_loops

                                        Should not be a problem if the 5V and main PSUs are in the same case, fed by the same mains cable.

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        • Capricornundefined
                                          Capricorn @dc42
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                                          @dc42
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                                          • Capricornundefined
                                            Capricorn @dc42
                                            last edited by

                                            @dc42
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