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    jhonf441
    last edited by 6 Jun 2019, 04:48

    Hello, I have a Duet Wifi V1.04 and would like to know if there is the possibility of desoldering the wifi module that the surface antenna brings and soldering a new wifi module that comes with an external antenna?

    Is there a simple way to do it?

    Thank you for the amazing product that create every days

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      Phaedrux Moderator
      last edited by 6 Jun 2019, 04:58

      https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/2825/converting-the-duet-wifi-to-use-an-external-antenna

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        dc42 administrators
        last edited by dc42 6 Jun 2019, 06:28 6 Jun 2019, 06:27

        For those planning to buy a Duet WiFi soon, we'll shortly be listing the Duet WiFi variant with external antenna on our web shop.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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          oliof
          last edited by 6 Jun 2019, 06:42

          I saw it on the shop yesterday already (-;

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            Simonjb
            last edited by 6 Jun 2019, 09:09

            Damn.... clicked too soon. The external antenna would have been nice even although I've not had any problems with the internal one in 3 different room in the house.... 👍

            Anet A8 (lots of mods...). Hypercube Evolution with DuetWifi and 5" PanelDue

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              jhonf441
              last edited by 6 Jun 2019, 15:47

              Gracias a todos.

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                oliof
                last edited by 22 Jun 2019, 23:34

                In my case, the signal improved from 71dB to 56dB with the external antenna ... and that's in addition to an additional wifi hotspot (the hotspot got me from 78 to 71dB, and has other uses so it's not a waste). It's pretty astounding

                The antenna is currently in a holder taped to the enclosure of my CR-20, but all that's missing is a hole of the right size to get rid of the jury-rig.

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                  zapta @oliof
                  last edited by 23 Jun 2019, 00:26

                  @oliof said in Esp8266 with external antenna in Duet Wifi:

                  In my case, the signal improved from 71dB to 56dB with the external antenna

                  Did this increase significantly the file upload speed?

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                    oliof
                    last edited by 23 Jun 2019, 02:29

                    @zapta subjectively yes, but I need to check the actual throughput (I recently discovered that PrusaSlicer can upload directly to Duet, and they do not show transfer speeds as uploads to Duet happen in the background). I will grab some numbers tomorrow.

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                      oliof
                      last edited by 23 Jun 2019, 15:16

                      @zapta I just tested an upload with a large GCODE file (66Megabytes).

                      On my old setup I would achieve between 60 and 80KiB/sec, with the new setup, I got between 5 and 8 times that speed:

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                      Of course, the new antenna is also in a different location, so I can't guarantee it's just the external antenna. But I am fairly sure it's a contributing factor.

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                        zapta
                        last edited by 23 Jun 2019, 15:35

                        @oliof said in Esp8266 with external antenna in Duet Wifi:

                        with the new setup, I got between 5 and 8 times that speed:

                        That's very significant. I get about 250KiB/s. Not sure where the bottleneck is.

                        I recently discovered that PrusaSlicer can upload directly to Duet

                        Yes, very useful though the progress report could be improved 😉

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                          oliof @zapta
                          last edited by oliof 23 Jun 2019, 18:51

                          OK, here is the surprising result with the integrated antenna located at the point where the external antenna is (which wouldn't physically be possible if I used it with the CR-20 housing and is quite different to the original location due to wire lengths .... -- the antennas are now about 6cm apart):

                          0_1561315877796_Screenshot 2019-06-23 at 20.49.54.png

                          I'm not making this up (-: It just shows that with WiFi, the three most important rules are the same as with real estate: location, location, location.

                          antenna locations:
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                            dc42 administrators
                            last edited by 23 Jun 2019, 19:14

                            The built-in antenna on the Duet WiFi is very short, much shorter than the WiFi antenna in a typical smartphone. Also, if you mount the Duet horizontally, it is in the wrong orientation for most routers. So it's not surprising that the external antenna helps a lot.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                              oliof
                              last edited by 23 Jun 2019, 19:26

                              Suffice to say that in my specific case the difference between 80KiB and 546KiB on the built-in antenna is mostly distance to the nearest wall (5cm vs. 55cm). But mounting the board within a sheet metal enclosure probably wouldn't have helped, so going with an external antenna was still the right call.

                              <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                                zapta @oliof
                                last edited by 25 Jun 2019, 05:32

                                @oliof, I just made an experiment, moved the printer, router and computer close to each other but max transfer via web interface is still 250KiB max (I am using 2.4GHZ wifi if it matters).

                                I presume that an external antenna will not help in my case.

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                                  dc42 administrators @zapta
                                  last edited by 25 Jun 2019, 06:32

                                  @zapta, have you tried a new SD card, formatted to 32k or 64k cluster size?

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    A Former User @zapta
                                    last edited by 25 Jun 2019, 08:31

                                    @zapta said in Esp8266 with external antenna in Duet Wifi:

                                    (I am using 2.4GHZ wifi if it matters)

                                    ESP8266 is limited to 2.4Ghz so 5Ghz will not be of any help.

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