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    weed2all @davidewen
    last edited by weed2all 11 Apr 2022, 03:34 4 Nov 2022, 03:31

    @davidewen try retracting a little bit more...like 0.85 or 0.90! Also reduce the retraction speed to something like 25 to 30
    Jerk values are to high!

    https://www.thingiverse.com/weed2all/designs

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      Norder @davidewen
      last edited by 4 Nov 2022, 11:11

      @davidewen
      So far the settings look good.
      If you don't have stringing or other problems with blobs or similar, then the 0.8mm retraction path is probably OK. But it can change depending on the temperature and filament and then higher values would be more suitable, which could then go up to 1.5mm.

      That with the speed could reduce this gap at the Z-seam, as weed2all already wrote, 25-30 mm/s may be better values for you.

      If these changes don't bring any improvements, you could enter something under "Extra length on restart". Step up there by 0.1mm.
      This option of "Extra length on restart" is rarely used.

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      Soweit sehen die Einstellungen gut aus.
      Wenn Du kein Stringing hast oder sonstige Probleme mit Kleckse o.ä., dann sind die 0.8mm Rückzugsweg wohl OK. Es kann sich aber je nach Temperatur und Filament ändern und dann wären höhere Werte besser geeignet die dann gerne mal bis 1.5mm gehen könnten.

      Das mit der Geschwindigkeit könnte diesen Spalt an der Z-Naht verringern, wie weed2all bereits schrieb sind 25-30 mm/s gegebenenfalls bessere Werte für Dich.

      Sollten diese Änderungen keine Verbesserungen bringen, dann könntest Du bei "Extralänge bei Neustart" etwas eintragen. Dort Schrittweise mit 0.1mm herangehen.
      Diese Option der "Extralänge bei Neustart" wird eher selten genutzt.

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        Phaedrux Moderator @davidewen
        last edited by 4 Nov 2022, 20:28

        @davidewen said in Strange Blobbing on Layer Change:

        I've increased jerk in PrusaSlicer to the following;
        X: 32
        Y: 32
        Z: 32
        E: 20

        Where did you change that?

        I assume that's in mm/s?

        Does prusa slicer now allow per move jerk settings as well as acceleration? I didn't think so.

        Is your prusa slicer set to RepRap gcode flavour?

        Can you share a sliced gcode file?

        Your config file still has the limits set very low, so unless your slicer is actually sending M566/M203/M201 commands to change the limits during a print you are being limited by the config.g

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          Norder @Phaedrux
          last edited by Norder 11 May 2022, 08:55 5 Nov 2022, 00:13

          @Phaedrux

          Does prusa slicer now allow per move jerk settings as well as acceleration? I didn't think so.

          The PrusaSlicer has its own jerk setting (mm/s), maximum acceleration (mm/s²) and maximum feed (mm/s)
          for each axis.

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            Phaedrux Moderator @Norder
            last edited by 5 Nov 2022, 04:46

            @Norder said in Strange Blobbing on Layer Change:

            The PrusaSlicer has its own jerk setting

            Where? You mean in the machine limits?

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              Norder @Phaedrux
              last edited by 5 Nov 2022, 08:52

              @Phaedrux
              Yes, exactly.
              But it is clear that the upper limit is determined by the config.g.

              DDA5X... 0.9° Stepper... Linearrails... Duet 2 Wifi... PT100 Board... Duet IR-Probe... Dyze Pro Kit up to 500°C.. etc
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                davidewen @Norder
                last edited by 5 Nov 2022, 15:46

                @Norder @Phaedrux @weed2all

                Thank you all for responding.
                I will not be able to check settings or respond back with said settings until late next week.

                Cheers

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                  davidewen @Phaedrux
                  last edited by 7 Nov 2022, 15:33

                  @Phaedrux

                  Yes, I made those changes in PrusaSlicer.
                  Are you suggesting that I make the changes in config.g?
                  And if so, is that command M566?

                  My current M566 is not labeled "jerk" so I just want to confirm.

                  M566 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z600.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                  M203 X12000.00 Y12000.00 Z600.00 E2100.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                  M201 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z500.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
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                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by 7 Nov 2022, 18:22

                    Yes, maximum instantaneous speed changes is often called jerk.

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                      davidewen @Phaedrux
                      last edited by 7 Nov 2022, 19:25

                      @Phaedrux

                      Got it. Do you have some recommendations from my current settings?

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                        Phaedrux Moderator @davidewen
                        last edited by 8 Nov 2022, 03:59

                        @davidewen Try these

                        M566 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z600.00 E3000 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                        M203 X12000.00 Y12000.00 Z600.00 E6000 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                        M201 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z500.00 E3000 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)

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                          davidewen @Phaedrux
                          last edited by 8 Nov 2022, 23:46

                          @Phaedrux
                          Thanks for the info. This has helped a lot. Seam is still there, but greatly improved.
                          I will play around with these settings to see if I can get it to almost perfect.

                          Cheers!

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                            Phaedrux Moderator @davidewen
                            last edited by 9 Nov 2022, 03:16

                            @davidewen said in Strange Blobbing on Layer Change:

                            Seam is still there, but greatly improved.

                            Have you tune pressure advance yet? That's the remaining piece of the puzzle.

                            https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Tuning/Pressure_advance

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