Two arduinos between Duet2 wifi and BLtouch

o_lampe

@PieTorque
I agree with alankilian, there is too much latency when sending each probe signal via all these relais stations.
You could ask the arduino closest to the BLTouch to do all the probepoints and then send the whole heightmap as one file to the duet. That should be doable, since Marlin runs on ATMega328P, they sure have some working bed-leveling routines.

For such long distances I'd use fiberglass transmitters for peace of mind. They can use standard RX/TX protocol. No need for RS485.

zapta

@pietorque said in Two arduinos between Duet2 wifi and BLtouch:

building a giant cable driven 3d printer

A side question, is BlTouch a good fit for a giant printer? I would think that it's deployment and detection distances were optimized for much smaller printers.

fcwilt

@zapta said in Two arduinos between Duet2 wifi and BLtouch:

@pietorque said in Two arduinos between Duet2 wifi and BLtouch:

building a giant cable driven 3d printer

A side question, is BlTouch a good fit for a giant printer? I would think that it's deployment and detection distances were optimized for much smaller printers.

I would use an inductive probe if you are not planning on using some sort of magnettically secured printing surface.

oliof

@pietorque You might be able to use two ESP32s and the ESPNOW protocol as wireless serial bridges. Someone did it to wirelessly connect a paneldue (search the forum if you are interested), so it is possible.

https://www.instructables.com/ESP32-With-ESP-Now-Protocol/

PieTorque

@oliof I'll definately look into it. Thanks mate!

@zapta We might go for another solution later on. But for now we're trying this one

o_lampe

@oliof said in Two arduinos between Duet2 wifi and BLtouch:

Someone did it to wirelessly connect a paneldue

A panelDue or a Z-probe are two different shoes.
If you meant to transfer the whole heightmap at once, I see ESP32 as an option. But WiFi would cause even more latency problems (and higher variation) than a cable driven serial connection. ( and it can take a few attempts to bind two ESP32 with ESPnow AFAIR)

dc42

That solution sounds to me like overkill.

The servo signal from the Duet is at a slow speed, so I don't think it should have any trouble going over a 15m cable.

The signal coming back from the BLTouch is an open-drain signal. In the not-triggered state it should be fairly immune to noise. In the triggered state it will pick up noise from adjacent cables. To mitigate that, it may be sufficient to add a pullup resistor of between 2.2K and 4.7K between the BLTouch output and +5V. Alternatively, at the BLTouch end you could use a pullup resistor and a 74HC chip to buffer the signal.

If there are stepper motor wires in the same bundle than either the BLTouch wires (along with other signals wires e.g. for temperature sensors) or the stepper motor wires should be shielded, and the stepper motor wires should be two twisted pairs, one pair per phase.

The best solution is probably a Duet 3 plus a tool board, which will also reduce the number of wires going to the print head; but if the axis motors use external drivers or servo drives then you may want to wait for the external driver version of the Duet 3 main board.

CNCModeller

@dc42 said in Two arduinos between Duet2 wifi and BLtouch:

... but if the axis motors use external drivers or servo drives then you may want to wait for the external driver version of the Duet 3 main board.

Hi @dc42, what is the timeline on the external driver version of the Duet 3 main board? Are there details available?

Many thanks
Barry M

dc42

@cncmodeller said in Two arduinos between Duet2 wifi and BLtouch:

Hi @dc42, what is the timeline on the external driver version of the Duet 3 main board? Are there details available?

My guess is 3 months. However, there is a severe shortage of semiconductors developing, so we may have to change our design plans to suit what is available rather than what we would like to use.

CNCModeller

@dc42 said in Two arduinos between Duet2 wifi and BLtouch:

@cncmodeller said in Two arduinos between Duet2 wifi and BLtouch:

Hi @dc42, what is the timeline on the external driver version of the Duet 3 main board? Are there details available?

My guess is 3 months. However, there is a severe shortage of semiconductors developing, so we may have to change our design plans to suit what is available rather than what we would like to use.

Ok thanks for the info, I'll keep a weather eye in the forum for future updates.