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    • gloomyandyundefined
      gloomyandy @pfn
      last edited by

      @pfn There are quite a few fixes post beta6: https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/commits/3.4-dev

      Some of these may impact the problem you are seeing...
      https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/commit/37b4e02726993763b477181b6aa918089e2210b4
      https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/commit/1e0e6c99252dee6aa20194f212aca3be6e68415a

      0 dc42 committed to Duet3D/RepRapFirmware
      Fixed heater fault detection while heating up
      
      Also shortened the M307 response so that it fits in the reply buffer
      0 dc42 committed to Duet3D/RepRapFirmware
      Fixed bug in calculation of heater PID parameters
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      • pfnundefined
        pfn @gloomyandy
        last edited by

        @gloomyandy thanks for digging! looks like known issues that will be resolved in the next beta/rc

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        • Exerqtorundefined
          Exerqtor @gloomyandy
          last edited by Exerqtor

          @gloomyandy

          Well there you go, just have to adjust the heating rate until b7 / RC1 sees day then 🤣

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          • Gixxerfastundefined
            Gixxerfast @gloomyandy
            last edited by

            @gloomyandy Thanks for the info.

            I thought that my Nevermore carbon recirculation filter with fans was responisble for the heater errors.

            Looking forward to the next beta release then 🙂

            Voron V2.4 (#1317) with Duet 3 Mini5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.1 Toolboard
            Voron V0.1 (#637) with Duet 3 Mini 5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.2 Toolboard
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            • gloomyandyundefined
              gloomyandy @Gixxerfast
              last edited by

              @gixxerfast Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the above changes will fix the problem, just that some things have been changed! Will need to be tested with the next release I guess?

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              • Exerqtorundefined
                Exerqtor @gloomyandy
                last edited by

                @gloomyandy said in Heater fault on heated bed because it's rising to slow.:

                @gixxerfast Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the above changes will fix the problem, just that some things have been changed! Will need to be tested with the next release I guess?

                @dc42 Guess this is something you could either confirm or deny?

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                • hestiahuangundefined
                  hestiahuang
                  last edited by

                  Heater 0 fault: temperature rising too slowly: expected 0.44°C/sec measured 0.21°C/sec

                  Build the new source code after Beta6, the same.

                  Heater 0 fault: temperature rising too slowly: expected 0.44°C/sec measured 0.21°C/sec

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                  • dc42undefined
                    dc42 administrators @hestiahuang
                    last edited by

                    @hestiahuang did you run M303 heater tuning on the bed heater, and save the M307 result?

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                    • hestiahuangundefined
                      hestiahuang @dc42
                      last edited by hestiahuang

                      @dc42
                      yes, I did. Ran Auto PID and saved, also restarted. But still failed, even I used bangbang mode, full speed, I mean.
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                      After above, I got this too b68c20db-d126-466c-adc8-cf9f6680ff2d-image.png

                      Then I changed the code and built Beta7 version, everything looks good now.
                      I adjusted the factor 0.5 to small value simplely => RepRapFirmware\src\Heating\LocalHeater.cpp => Line#317 => if (actualTemperatureRise < expectedTemperatureRise * 0.5)
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                      • hestiahuangundefined
                        hestiahuang @dc42
                        last edited by

                        @dc42 I guess this should be new good feature, it will be perfect if it is better to enlarge the limitation. Or can have parameter to set expected rate.

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                        • hestiahuangundefined
                          hestiahuang @hestiahuang
                          last edited by

                          Need to resume my printer can print first, so I call it simple way...👼

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                          • hestiahuangundefined
                            hestiahuang @dc42
                            last edited by

                            @dc42
                            Read from change history, issue is involved from Beta3 and keeping improving.
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                            • hestiahuangundefined
                              hestiahuang @dc42
                              last edited by

                              @dc42
                              similar topics
                              https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/24842/rrf-3-4b3-bed-heater-fault/14?_=1639653214558
                              https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/24809/3-4-0-beta-3-heater-0-fault/12

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                              • dc42undefined
                                dc42 administrators @hestiahuang
                                last edited by

                                @hestiahuang we have made changes in 3.4.0beta 7 that we believe resolve the majority of these cases.

                                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                • hestiahuangundefined
                                  hestiahuang @dc42
                                  last edited by

                                  @dc42 You did great! Thank you so much!

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                                  • joekoundefined
                                    joeko
                                    last edited by

                                    now with beta7 i also get this error. with rrf 3.3 all was fine

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                                    • Exerqtorundefined
                                      Exerqtor @joeko
                                      last edited by

                                      @joeko
                                      Have you re tuned the heater after upgrading to b7? I haven't gotten around to test mine btw, so just asking out of curiosity 😋

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                                      • joekoundefined
                                        joeko @Exerqtor
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                                        @exerqtor said in Heater fault on heated bed because it's rising to slow.:

                                        @joeko
                                        Have you re tuned the heater after upgrading to b7? I haven't gotten around to test mine btw, so just asking out of curiosity 😋

                                        yes after update from 3.3 to this beta7 i did an pid tuning for bed and hotend with m500. with 3.3 there was no problem. i reduced the r in 307 to 0.19 and was able to heat the bed and print

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                                        • Exerqtorundefined
                                          Exerqtor @joeko
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                                          @joeko said in Heater fault on heated bed because it's rising to slow.:

                                          @exerqtor said in Heater fault on heated bed because it's rising to slow.:

                                          @joeko
                                          Have you re tuned the heater after upgrading to b7? I haven't gotten around to test mine btw, so just asking out of curiosity 😋

                                          yes after update from 3.3 to this beta7 i did an pid tuning for bed and hotend with m500. with 3.3 there was no problem. i reduced the r in 307 to 0.19 and was able to heat the bed and print

                                          Well in that case it looks like the heater tuning needs more work @dc42 😆

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                                          • Gixxerfastundefined
                                            Gixxerfast @Exerqtor
                                            last edited by

                                            @exerqtor said in Heater fault on heated bed because it's rising to slow.:

                                            Well in that case it looks like the heater tuning needs more work

                                            Actually, I have more heater problems as well with the b7 than I had with the b6. Instead of one error while heating up that just could be restarted I now have to restart it three times. And I have done the heater tuning (pid calibration).

                                            Thing is a have a active carbon filter under the bed where the fans kicks in at 65C. Although it's a very low airflow it seems to disturb the heating process.

                                            I would like an option to just turn all this control off. Max temp supervision is enough for me as far as I can understand it now.

                                            Sorry to hog in in this thread.

                                            Voron V2.4 (#1317) with Duet 3 Mini5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.1 Toolboard
                                            Voron V0.1 (#637) with Duet 3 Mini 5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.2 Toolboard
                                            Ender 3 Pro with BTT SKR-2 + RRF

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