Repetitive layer defects



  • I see strange layers in my delta (Tevo LM). On the left photo with 1.8 engines on the right with 0.9 engines. In an attempt to correct the situation, I changed the power supply, the motors, the wires to the motors and the extruder, changed the extruder from titan to bmg, changed the currents and jerks, acceleration, changed the heater, thermistor and nozzle, printed on a cold table, PID the table and nozzle. Backlash in the effector and rods minimal and selected rubber bands, changed the belt tension. I still have questions for the firmware, because in one of the release candidates there were problems with the layers. I updated it to the full version, but maybe I updated it incorrectly? Also rolled back to version 1.19 but maybe wrong too? My bltouch works on channel 9 with firmware 1.19, although it should not be in the documentation ( I noticed it later, after downgrade). There are ideas that I can still try? And please separately describe the procedure for rolling back to earlier versions.
    P.S. A model with 0.9 motors stopped printing due to an unknown cause, winding a bundle of molten plastic. Congestion was not. What is it, wrong height calculation?
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  • nobody wants to react .. it's sad. On the resource, I see a bunch of files other than the firmware file. What should I do with them? 0_1551773226610_2019-03-05_11-05-51.png



  • How can I go back to the factory default firmware, is there such a function? This is the most confusing instructions for installing the firmware, which I have seen in my life. I do not want to update, I want to erase everything and reinstall it. What should I do?



  • You often have to wait more than overnight (on a Monday too) for the right person to come on the forum and read the messages. By all means poke the message but comments like 'it's sad' will just wind people up.

    Part on the right looks over stuffed. Tried reducing extrusion multiplier?

    Strip everything off the carridges and make sure they move smoothly with no significant play.

    I'm not a delta person. On my machines that'd be referred to a z wobble.



  • What duet are you running?

    Upgrade to the latest 2+ firmware version. If your issue was firmware based that would have been picked up on by now, particually as the lead developer's main machine is a delta.



  • @doctrucker On right? I would say that there are problems with extrusion on the left, but the whole point is that the difference in prints is only in the motors) And I use the Wifi duet, with the latest firmware 2.02. I regret that I may annoy with my regrets, but I have been at war with the duet and printer for several weeks now.





  • @denis You mentioned 1.19, that's why I encouraged the use of the latest firmware.

    I can only see the upper surface of the part on the right, that's what made me think that one was over extruded, and perhaps burnt on the top surface.

    I don't think you are struggling with the Duet, it appears more general issues.

    Swapping from 1.8 to 0.9 degree steppers appears to have reduced the severity of the problem. I think something is loose, or too flexible. The 1.8 steppers are likely to vibrate more strongly than the 0.9 and excite potential resonances in the frame or components.

    Thoroughly check your mechanics, check belts, check the joints at the end of the effector rods, check temperature, check e-steps, check extrusion multiplier.



  • @deckingman At the moment I rolled back to this configuration

    Firmware Name: RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi / Ethernet
    Firmware Electronics: Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
    Firmware Version: 2.0 (RTOS) (2018-06-05b3)
    WiFi Server Version: 1.21
    Web Interface Version: 1.22.61_1551779528546_config.g 0_1551779528545_config-override.g

    The model file is made in Cura, 3.6 using relative extrusion.
    Motors on axes 42BYGHM810 0.9 degrees, 2.4A, phase resistance 2.1, inductance 4.2
    extruder motor 0.9, 1.33A, phase resistance 0.8, inductance 1,8



  • @doctrucker The resonances should depend on the speed, but the speed has no effect on the bands. As for the mechanics, everything is rechecked many times



  • Second hit on a google search indicates this problem can exist on Tevo Little Monsters running OEM boards.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=Tevo+LM+wobble&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8



  • @doctrucker I opened this link. There is a problem with delamination abs. This is not my case.



  • @denis There is, but that is not the only problem there is also a z-wobble like issue. Short of pictures with scales the wobble looks a very similar wavelength to what you have pictured.



  • @doctrucker I would like to hear some reasonable thoughts, instead of an answer, that this is a problem of such printers. You can write shit happens, it will be just as useful



  • @denis Have you tried setting extrusion width to 75% of nozzle width? I've got a completely different printer, but I'm investigating a very similar issue. The image is sort-of potato-vision...



  • @denis said in Repetitive layer defects:

    @doctrucker I would like to hear some reasonable thoughts, instead of an answer, that this is a problem of such printers. You can write shit happens, it will be just as useful

    Your response makes little sense, and I've no time to waste freely with tone like that. I wish you luck fixing your problem. Good bye.



  • @edgars-batna Yes, and I see a change. Now I will try the leading pulleys made of polyurethane (Perhaps Chinese iron curves in places. suddenly help?)) and then publish a photo with reduced extrusion. Down to 85 percent. There is something to think about. In addition, in the spiral mode in one layer, the wall is ideal.



  • @edgars-batna It was a good idea. I see the problem in extrusion. Strange, because I calibrated it. It seemed to me that the calibration procedure should not be questioned. However, all I can say is that the problem exists, and I can only reduce the extrusion in order to get a quality print. This may be the uncoordinated steps of the engines of extruders and axial engines, but let the developers explore this. It is a pity that I changed the printer to the delta after buying a duet and lost several months of time)) I thought I was struggling with the wobble, but it turned out that it wasn’t. 0_1552180839782_photo_2019-03-10_04-04-56.jpg



  • @denis It is practically the same what I observe on my printer, even though it is a completely different build.

    Though, what I meant is not the overall extrusion multiplier, but rather extrusion width in slicer settings. So, for 0.4 nozzle set it to 0.3 for perimeters.

    The amount of material will still be as you calibrated it, but the perimeters will be significantly finer. It reduced most of the ripples for me.



  • @edgars-batna Now I use a 0.3 nozzle, but the general idea is clear to me. This is really strange, because these defects began after I changed the marlin to a duet for HBot and were aggravated during the transition to the delta. After the adjustment, I get excellent prints, so I don’t scold the duo in any way, but I urge the developers to check the algorithms again.


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