Michael Armani, aka Marmani on the Discord channels responded to the conversation with a point that I did not know, and is not mentioned on the Troubleshooting guide.

If using the Duet instructions for SAM-BA.
(https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Installing_and_Updating_Firmware#Section_Fallback_procedure_Num_3)
Please DO NOT select at91sam4e8.
-That describes the Duet Wifi, not the Maestro.
Instead choose ATSAM4s8.

However, we do not use this tool and strongly recommend using Bossa instead. Please see our repair instructions https://coda.io/d/M3D-Public_dzE73kMbIAL/Duet-Maestro_sui8n#Cards_tubJG/r1, I would say at least 50% of the time we recover a board with funky behavior (No usb response, SD card reading, even sometimes a stuck pin). Updating the firmware helps with these, and sometimes the board just needs a refresh.

@bot you are absolutely right, thats not a bug, it's a feature! I was doing it wrong, everything works perfect, it's all perfect.

Been working with a few and it seems that they are unable to get a response when the Erase pin was used. One did get a partial response but once the pin was cleared and the board reset it never came back and even though all seemed normal, it never presented to windows.

I cannot validate this further as no one has sent their cards to me for help.
-Though to be fair this is not a service I am offering, yet. I also have no contract with M3D or Duet to offer services so if I find a card really is dead, I have no idea where to go from there in terms of a proper hand off for warranty if any at all.

I think if I or we can Identify the reason why some ERASE pin cards, will not present at all. Then more can be helped to recover from these kinds of mistakes. -For now I have been trying to warn other users to NOT use the ERASE pin unless told to by support staff.

@deckingman said in Connectivity:

But hey, who am I too argue. If you insist on using DWC just for monitoring and choose not to use most of the features that Duet give you, then that's entirely up to you I guess.

@deckingman It's not like that. I think you are in your feels bit prematurely. It feels to me like there are a bunch of devs here who have put a lot of work into this and are really defensive of their work the moment I say this doesn't work or I am having an issue. I am not here to tell any of you that you are doing it all wrong and that it doesn't work. But I will ask, as a user for tweaks and improvements, and I will point out what I seem to be bugs. I will provide feedback.

At this time, no one has a one stop solution to everything and the Web Interface is no exception. However I would never wish it to be a one stop solution either. I think that it is great that Duet Products have a web interface. Like any other net-workable product this is a great way to setup, and monitor a device. As said on the parts of my first topic in the web interface forum, there are even a few things I would like to see added that would expand what the interface can offer in terms of data. -Though one of those functions, I have been told is not an option at this time. I have since found some of that data may be useful to display indicators as as Idiot lights via M122 and M305 (this for another topic).

One tool that has been added to the interface is the mixing ratio tool. I do not have a head that Mixes material. So it's a great tool to have but for the moment it would be better to save space and keep it disabled as it does me no use in this setup. Maybe the next. Maybe usefully on a Geetech Rostok Delta?

The web interface is also really huge. I get that it reconfigured itself but it is really good for Touch screen I think. I also don't have a touch screen PC yet. I do have a Leap Motion, but its not much good on my twin 32in, 1920x1080 screens. I think there is much more that can be had on one screen.

If any of the devs here would like to talk about what I think would make the interface better. I think that should probably be best in the proper forum, this conversation would be fully off topic here. -I would be more than happy to list what tools I use and need. Why I do what I do, and maybe all of you can take something from that and the interface can digivolve from really good to even better.

But whatever you are taking away from this, please understand that I have not come here to rip on any of this. I think most of it is really great. But this doesn't mean, it is exactly what I need, and we all need something slightly different. -Have we come to terms?

@deckingman Please believe me, I am. As said I think the Maestro is great and I like just about all of it. This doesn't mean I accept it as perfect or a one stop solution for all needs.

There are things it doesn't have I need, and some of those things as requested were more or less blown off. That's fine. The devs don't want them, and don't feel they are needed. But I do and I do use those features. In the mean time, I have to do things in a way that get done the tasks I am trying to accomplish. Some can be done with Macro. Some require an external controller.

However as said. When the devs are open to constructive criticism, suggestion, and requests, I will be growing a list of things I would like to see added. Capabilities, features, interface, etc. BTW, I was told Duet3 is already under design. I would to contribute "requests and ideas" to that next gen.

@dc42 @deckingman I was able to resolve the USB issue by instructing S3D to disconnect before a reset. Then connect again afterward. This has gone without issue. With this in mind I wonder if there is a command I can add to the Macro that will force a disconnect prior to the reset command, thus removing a step.
-S3D, and Cura do not yet offer a way to SAVE the port like with any other Windows printer (i know, not the same). But as long as S3D is not closed with the port inactive, as of a couple updates back will look to the last good connection to retry before any others.
So if the Macro were to dump the connection a moment before the Reset command, the next time I send an instruction from S3D it will auto reconnect. This isn't a huge thing but it simplifies a few things. If such a command exists.

My Wanhao, i3 Mini, is now fully operational. Fully calibrated.
*Ran the file included with the Mini on it's SD card for the CT3D.xyz Benchy. Direct from the Web Interface over night. It is far from perfect but, its a generic slice done by some one else another time, another place. But it is the final test in signing off this machine as being back in full operation.
*I look forward to making all the details available to any one who wants to look at trying out a Duet controller with their i3 Mini.

Now moving on to my Folgertech FT-6.

Ok back to the Original Topic.

Looked at the Code just now and S3D does call out T0 in at least the head warm up commands. Does it also need to include T0 on all move commands?

Like I said, never have a trouble with control when direct over USB no mater how many times I reset. But if from SD card, and I reset I loose the Extruder.

What would I be looking for in the code to know if it was causing an issue?

@phaedrux
Would like to try a MicroSwiss, but they are costly and to take full advantage I would need a whole new hot end assembly.

Did not know about the Beta. Thanks.
I had been talking about their prototype after seeing it on a youtube interview from 2017?
But then 2018 and it was not shown in videos. Taz was talking up their own product. I wondered if I was confused as to who was developing this.

Arrived just as Joel was give away his printer. Sadly did not have much control over the arrival with work and travel. Had about 20 min after the giveaway then names were being called out. Then it became almost impossible to move as every one formed up a line that blocked movement, as the catering started. I asked about that but every one played dumb. So kept trying to shuffle around. By the time I got over to your side almost every one had beers and chips, most were settling down with a mouth full, that is other than those frozen in place with conversation. Though it looked like E3D had been drinking for a while. Ended up talking to Olsen Ruby.

About an Hour later got over to the other hall. Many were leaving. I forget the name of the group up in the front corner, but they didn't look like they had much to show. But the whole area smelled like an open tap. I kept moving. Talked to the TH3D guys.

If I had gotten in at E3D, I am sure I would have realized Duet was next door.
-Sorry I missed you too. I was looking forward to the meet and greet.

@Phaedrux Well, thats just annoying.

I have a very distinct feeling that I popped up at that table but every one was engaged in other conversations. I know I was at the E3D table. Could not get any one to notice. Not the end of the world. I am not exactly a big investor.

I know, I could not even get any place near the Bondtech table. To many very firmly rooted feet, in place, not moving an inch for very long conversations. Closest I got was the table with the Mosquito hot ends. Was a wall of men from that point on, all the way to the E3D table.

Did see the SeeMeCNC stuff. Paired up with TAZ. The props on the table, and the giant machine in the corner.

Saw Joel too, and similar, always a wall. Not that I had any business with him.
-Was a bit like seeing the back of Bruise Willis's head (I sub contracted at a hotel he stayed at in NYC).

Chatted up the Guys at Olsen Ruby a bit. Found out that the Ruby is not for me until I start working with abrasives. Tried to take interest in the PLA booth directly across from them. But other than having a massive stock they had nothing I wanted.

Coolest things I saw were the Lady with the fully articulated Jackalope from hell. And the guy with the mechanically functional Engine w/ functional Transmission. Those two were impressive.

Got to meet the guys from TH3D. That was cool.

The Railcore ii builds were for sure worth note too. I want their aluminum parts, and linear rail computer leveled 3 axis Z. I want to add that to the E3D multi head machine. Then incorporate the TH3D sensor. -Well, I can dream right??

So E3D's multi head, how come that thing isn't official but so many seemed to have it? are the plans public now? or have I over looked it's launch? What happened to the TAZ variant? Heck, why didnt TAZ have much to anything to even show this year, despite launching their PRO only days before the show, whats up with that?

One thing to look forward too, the guys selling goop, said they have a PETG compatible line coming. So that applies to me. Yay. I asked then to look at M3D Tough Ink too. So I look forward to their spray on stuff or PETG and maybe Tough Ink.

There was a guy building a Railcore II. He had a pile of thin washer/shims that he was using and gave me the empty bag to help me find them online. Very valuable, since the FT-6 shipped with washers that grab both sides of the bearings and these shims will let the bearings spin properly!

I hoped to see more next gen tech previews. Maybe some new hot end tech. But didn't.
Still need All metal hot end parts that actually fit together properly.
Still looking for hacks to help with making better and worse skins.
etc.

@Stephen6309 Ahh, yes E3D was there by TAZ. Is @Phaedrux with E3D? I wanted to talk to them but they were always in other conversations, or eating. I wanted to ask about the head switching machines I thought they develped and I saw several of then in the building. But then a video from last year showed TAZ with an advanced Head switching machine that sounded like what I thought E3D was tinkering with, but further along.

@dc42
Noted. I will look for this and see if some how it is the reason. S3D does denote a tool as far as I know.

sorry @dc42 your reply some how did not show up until after I had addressed @Phaedrux

@Phaedrux
By default a tool is always specified in the gcode. Why should a user need to take an additional step to tell the DWC that they are going to use a tool?

@phaedrux said in DWC versus Direct, observation:

@rflulling do you have a tool selected when trying to start a new print?

By the way @Phaedrux , not that I would have known who to look for, but I did not see you or any one from Duet at MRRF.
Though I did notice a booth selling stacks of boxes marked as DuetWifi and Maestro.

Never made any customization's to those files. They are what they were on the day they were downloaded from GitHub. Save only for defaults added by RRF.

I honestly cannot believe that either of these files are doing anything at all.

Cancle.g
; stop.g
; called when a print is cancelled after a pause.

Stop.g
; stop.g
; called when M0 (Stop) is run (e.g. when a print from SD card is cancelled)
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2 on Sun Jan 27 2019 20:58:34 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)

I will be there Tomorrow. Look forward to finding every one. -The ones that cannot run away that is.

When in DWC and a print from SD card is failed, then print is paused and canceled. After board is cleared and print is started fresh, Extruder motor will only twitch causing not so much a fail but a total lack of anything. This behavior does not resolve on it's own, and printer must be reset to get the extruder running again.

This behavior does not happen even under exact same circumstances, when operated by direct control. Infact, I have never seen this issue until after using DWC for prints.

I will add to this thread as I gather info.

Symptoms:
Normal print behaviors,
DWC shows no errors,
DWC shows normal extrude count up,
No prime before print start,
No layer at print start (not in itself a symptom),
Directly Follows all canceled prints in DWC

@dc42

Thank you.

I stand by everything I have reported, as yes if you do as I have done you should repeatably get the same results. However, other than when putting in the codes manually. I have not demonstrated that they will have any effect on a normal user.

I do understand the whole, virtual versus literal value argument. Been through that one with M3D enough times when regarding the Z height and their calibration system in the Early days. That literal Z was below the build plate. But virtual Z was calibrated just above it.
-By default the Virtual Z values were the ONLY value a user would see, unless they were in manual calibration.

So for me I always want to know where the Printer thinks it is, not where it should be. -Though both pieces of info are highly useful at the right times.