Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.

[T3P3Tony]

@calvinx

Might I suggest a "what's in the box" list on the page that the Duet-3 is for sale on, it might help people plan.

We have not decided all.of what's in the box yet but will do over the next few weeks. A connector pack is also being considered as the motor and medium current heaters (extruders) use JST VH connectors not Molex KK

My next question is about the control software, is the raspberry pi going to be running raspbian with a version of the DWC or whats the plan and where can obtain the required software ?

Raspian is our reference OS but @wilriker has been working with Arch Linux.

There is a new suite of software that runs on the Linux SBC called DuetSoftwareFramework that I hope @chrishamm will be able to write more about in the documentation soon. It will be installed using "apt" on top of an out the box Raspian image.

DuetSoftwareFramework has a number of programs. DuetControlServer is the core, it handles the SPI link to the Duet and pipes the gcodes and maintains an object model of the state of the printer. DuetWebServer uses the DuetControlServer API to provide DWC as we are used to using it. The design has the capability for DuetControlServer to have plugins to process the gcode and access the object model so in the future people can write plugins to do things like cancel part of the print job for example.

[wilriker]

And just for the sake of completeness: on Arch Linux I maintain AUR packages for DuetSoftwareFramework so installation there is also very easy.

If the kernel on an arbitrary SBC is >=4.8 then "porting" DSF is merely a question of changing the config file for DuetControlServer since @chrishamm is using /dev/gpiochip for communication.

[A Former User]

@wilriker

What in your opinion makes Arch Linux a better proposal than Raspbian ?

[wilriker]

@calvinx I'd say mainly personal preference. I run Arch Linux on all of my machines. I like the concept of a rolling release and having the latest version of all packages. On RPi 3B(+) there is even an aarch64 image which let's the ARM A53 use its full potential (unfortunately there is no upstream kernel support for RPi 4B yet so this still has to wait).

[deckingman]

@t3p3tony

Tony, there is a bit of a conflict in the documentation https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_3_Mainboard_6HC_Hardware_Overview.

The picture of the boards has a graphic with the words "6x stepper drivers rated to 4A peak". But under "Features" the words say "Six high-current advanced TMC5160 stepper drivers: SPI controlled will all the latest Trinamic features. Maximum motor current 6.3A peak per phase (4.45A RMS)."

As DC ran the thermal tests on an expansion board at 6.3A, I'm assuming the "4A" in the graphic is incorrect.

[Phaedrux]

@gtj0 said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

@dc42

The Freescale iMX6 platform is well supported in Linux. I wrote some of the device tree and driver stuff for it.

Not criticizing the choice of C#, just curious. I haven't done any C# development in about 10 years so I'll have to see what .NET dev tools are like for Linux these days. Hopefully there's an Eclipse plugin.

You may want to take a look at Mono for .NET. Microsoft has been putting a lot of effort into bridging the Linux gap in the last few years.

[gtj0]

@phaedrux said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

@gtj0 said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

@dc42

The Freescale iMX6 platform is well supported in Linux. I wrote some of the device tree and driver stuff for it.

Not criticizing the choice of C#, just curious. I haven't done any C# development in about 10 years so I'll have to see what .NET dev tools are like for Linux these days. Hopefully there's an Eclipse plugin.

You may want to take a look at Mono for .NET. Microsoft has been putting a lot of effort into bridging the Linux gap in the last few years.

Yeah, I've used Mono for running .NET assemblies for quite a while. The Microsoft .NET Core for Linux is also working fine. I just can't stand Visual Studio. Actually, the Acute plugin for Eclipse is at least workable for editing C# and I just built the DSF for both arm and x86_64 so maybe it won't be that bad. I might not even need to modify it for the Wandboard, just set the device paths in the config.json file. We'll see.

[wilriker]

@gtj0 There is also MonoDevelop as an IDE. And the apps are actually based on .NET Core and as such do not need Mono (if anyone needs more recent packages of .NET Core on Arch Linux I have them in my Dropbox ).

EDIT: one of these days I need to look into finding a good Language Server for C# and then I can develop in neovim.

[A Former User]

@t3p3tony

I think a connector/plug pack should be included as a mimimum, if not included in the duet 3 anyone who has experienced what is included after purchasing earlier iterations of the duet ecosystem is going to feel mighty cheated to have to go source connectors and plugs themselves after shelling out for the duet 3 and an sbc

[dc42]

@wilriker said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

@gtj0 There is also MonoDevelop as an IDE. And the apps are actually based on .NET Core and as such do not need Mono (if anyone needs more recent packages of .NET Core on Arch Linux I have them in my Dropbox ).

EDIT: one of these days I need to look into finding a good Language Server for C# and then I can develop in neovim.

Don't forget that .NET supports other languages apart from C#, in particular F#.

[wilriker]

@dc42 said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

Don't forget that .NET supports other languages apart from C#, in particular F#.

Then there is J# and VisualBasic... Wasn't there also a Q#? Way too many Sharpies. If I have the choice I'll stay with my beloved Go, though.

EDIT: it seems neither J# nor Q# (actually for quantum computing) are supported by .NET.

[gtj0]

@wilriker said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

@gtj0 There is also MonoDevelop as an IDE. And the apps are actually based on .NET Core and as such do not need Mono (if anyone needs more recent packages of .NET Core on Arch Linux I have them in my Dropbox ).

EDIT: one of these days I need to look into finding a good Language Server for C# and then I can develop in neovim.

MonoDevelop doesn't support .NET Core projects using .csproj project files. It complains about the project file not having a ProjectGuid.

BTW, I have a Wandboard loaded with Fedora 30 and SPI support running the DSF. No changes to the DSF needed but then I don't have a Duet3 board to test with

[T3P3Tony]

@deckingman said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

@t3p3tony

Tony, there is a bit of a conflict in the documentation https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_3_Mainboard_6HC_Hardware_Overview.

The picture of the boards has a graphic with the words "6x stepper drivers rated to 4A peak". But under "Features" the words say "Six high-current advanced TMC5160 stepper drivers: SPI controlled will all the latest Trinamic features. Maximum motor current 6.3A peak per phase (4.45A RMS)."

As DC ran the thermal tests on an expansion board at 6.3A, I'm assuming the "4A" in the graphic is incorrect.

Thanks Ian - its fixed now

[T3P3Tony]

@calvinx Thats the plan - just see if we can get them sorted in time for this initial batch.

[evan38109]

Dumb question: what voltage do the 5A OUT1-3 receive, the ones intended for "extruder heaters or similar?" Is it just VIN?

https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_3_Mainboard_6HC_Hardware_Overview#Section_Heating_Fans

(Apologies in advance if there's a better place to ask!)

[A Former User]

@evan38109 said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

Is it just VIN?

yeah

[dc42]

@evan38109 said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

Dumb question: what voltage do the 5A OUT1-3 receive, the ones intended for "extruder heaters or similar?" Is it just VIN?

https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_3_Mainboard_6HC_Hardware_Overview#Section_Heating_Fans

Yes.

[deckingman]

@t3p3tony said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

@deckingman said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

@t3p3tony

Tony, there is a bit of a conflict in the documentation https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_3_Mainboard_6HC_Hardware_Overview.

The picture of the boards has a graphic with the words "6x stepper drivers rated to 4A peak". But under "Features" the words say "Six high-current advanced TMC5160 stepper drivers: SPI controlled will all the latest Trinamic features. Maximum motor current 6.3A peak per phase (4.45A RMS)."

As DC ran the thermal tests on an expansion board at 6.3A, I'm assuming the "4A" in the graphic is incorrect.

Thanks Ian - its fixed now

Still showing 4A here https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_3_Mainboard_6HC_Hardware_Overview

[wilriker]

@gtj0 said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

MonoDevelop doesn't support .NET Core projects using .csproj project files. It complains about the project file not having a ProjectGuid.

It does so for me. Which versions of MonoDevelop and .NET Core do you use? I have MonoDevelop 7.8.3 and .NET Core 2.2.401 (with 2.2.6 Runtime).

[A Former User]

@t3p3tony said in Duet 3 Mainboard 6HC - initial production run.:

@calvinx Thats the plan - just see if we can get them sorted in time for this initial batch.

Thanks for the clarification.

Whats the plan to cater for those that purchased the initial batch if you cant amass connectors and plugs in time ?