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    • Phaedruxundefined
      Phaedrux Moderator
      last edited by

      In your homeall.g and homez.g you have G92 Z=0 after you use G30 to probe the center of the bed. You should remove the G92 and let the G30 set your Z0 point. This likely accounts for your odd Z offset.

      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/ConfiguringRepRapFirmwareCartesianPrinter#Section_Homing_files

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      • corautenundefined
        corauten
        last edited by

        Thank you, removing G92 Z=0 fixed the map offset from mesh grid but in Simplify 3d it's still printing in mid-air and does not aloud me to lower the nozzle below the probe trigger high. In Simplify 3d on scripts, I'm only using is G28 and G29 S1.

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        • Vetiundefined
          Veti
          last edited by

          please calibrate your trigger height
          see (Calibrate the Z probe trigger height)
          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Test_and_calibrate_the_Z_probe

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          • corautenundefined
            corauten
            last edited by

            I've done that and on Duet Web Control it works as intended, if I send a G1 Z0 command it lowers the nozzle to the right distance but only when I'm trying to print it stays in the air.

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            • gtj0undefined
              gtj0
              last edited by

              In the Simplify3D process, click Show Advanced and select the GCodes tab. Make sure that the Global G-Code Offsets are all 0.00.

              If that doesn't work, grab the first 200 lines or so (down to the first G1 Zn.nnn Fnnnn line) of the gcode file and post them. That'll allow us to see exactly what the slicer is doing.

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              • corautenundefined
                corauten
                last edited by

                There are no offsets on the gcode tab and I copied the start of a gcode file
                0_1566219960032_Simplify 3d gcodes tab.PNG

                0_1566220035022_New Text Document.gcode

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                • A Former User?
                  A Former User
                  last edited by A Former User

                  I have a Chiron with a Duet and I suffered this problem of "air printing" when using simplify3d, prusa slicer was worse.

                  I cured my problem by playing with the homing files and setting up the Z probe properly. I initially cheated and used the rep rap config tool but that didnt generate what I needed properly.

                  see my files for what im using with success.

                  Any other help I can be just ask.

                  DISCLAIMER.

                  This setup WORKS FOR ME, it may not be the right or wrong way to do things, But on my Anycubic Chiron with a Duet and a titan/E3D V6 it works for me.

                  Chiron Config G.txt

                  Chiron Home All.txt

                  Chiron Home Z.txt

                  Chiron Home Y.txt

                  Chiron Home X.txt

                  Chiron Bed G.txt

                  alt text

                  Oh and I was getting Z banding artifacts showing up in my prints so I popped out the top bearings this got rid of the banding.

                  alt text

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                  • corautenundefined
                    corauten
                    last edited by

                    Ok, thank you. Looking over your config file I've seen you have the Z axis minimum -1 and that made me curious, checked mine and I had it set to 2.25 so voila there has my offset I was getting in the slicer, I changed it to 0 and now it works as it should.
                    Thank you guys, for all your help

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                    • corautenundefined
                      corauten @A Former User
                      last edited by

                      @calvinx said in Mid air printinting:

                      I have a Chiron with a Duet and I suffered this problem of "air printing" when using simplify3d, prusa slicer was worse.

                      I cured my problem by playing with the homing files and setting up the Z probe properly. I initially cheated and used the rep rap config tool but that didnt generate what I needed properly.

                      see my files for what im using with success.

                      Any other help I can be just ask.

                      DISCLAIMER.

                      This setup WORKS FOR ME, it may not be the right or wrong way to do things, But on my Anycubic Chiron with a Duet and a titan/E3D V6 it works for me.

                      Chiron Config G.txt

                      Chiron Home All.txt

                      Chiron Home Z.txt

                      Chiron Home Y.txt

                      Chiron Home X.txt

                      Chiron Bed G.txt

                      alt text

                      Oh and I was getting Z banding artifacts showing up in my prints so I popped out the top bearings this got rid of the banding.

                      alt text

                      It doesn't give problems on tall prints because you removed the Z bearings? Nice setup by the way!

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                      • A Former User?
                        A Former User @corauten
                        last edited by

                        @corauten

                        The reason for -1 in my config is if i want to play with baby stepping to get the correct "squish" up or down the negative number allows me to to that.

                        As for tall prints its not an issue, these printers will never have perfectly straight lead screws and contraining them at the top means any bend has to show up somewhere and thats in the print. if you allow the lead screw to move about on the X,Y planes it doesnt matter, all that matters is the Z axis which is lift up or down and the weight of the carriage keeps the lead screw nuts where the are supposed to be and the carriage wheels on the X gantry keep everything where it is supposed to be, I even have the leadsrew nuts loosened off a tiny amount on X carriage mounts to allow the nuts to float around on the X,Y planes.

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                        • dingo007undefined
                          dingo007
                          last edited by

                          @CaLviNx can you confirm with me these configs are still valid for a Chiron ? Im about to tackle mine with a Duet ethernet

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                          • A Former User?
                            A Former User @dingo007
                            last edited by A Former User

                            @dingo007

                            I am running a duet 2 WiFi with a titan direct drive, the files I posted haven't been changed but will represent a WiFi with a titan and e3d v6.

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                            • dingo007undefined
                              dingo007 @A Former User
                              last edited by

                              @CaLviNx great im using a Titan Aero / Volcano combo only change for wifi to ethernet is ip configuration. Can i ask how did you wire your Z ?? repurposed E1 ?

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                              • A Former User?
                                A Former User @dingo007
                                last edited by

                                @dingo007

                                Yes for the second Z I remapped E1 I did away with the two z optical end stops and used an IR sensor you can see all this from looking at the config.g
                                Using independent motor/drivers allow you to use compensation too.

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                                • dingo007undefined
                                  dingo007 @A Former User
                                  last edited by

                                  @CaLviNx ok seriously confused, if there 2 Z connectors on the board why does one need to remap E1 ? guess im not understanding the why it needs remapoping and you cant just use the 2 Z connectors

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                                  • jay_s_ukundefined
                                    jay_s_uk
                                    last edited by jay_s_uk

                                    @dingo007
                                    The two z connectors are powered from one driver. This results in half the amps available for each z motor.

                                    Remapping one z motor to E1 allows for independent motor control. You can then use your z probe to level your X carriage to your bed.

                                    Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                    • dingo007undefined
                                      dingo007 @jay_s_uk
                                      last edited by

                                      @jay_s_uk ahhhh got it... now it all makes sense! Thanks

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                                      • aidarundefined
                                        aidar @jay_s_uk
                                        last edited by

                                        @jay_s_uk said in Mid air printinting:

                                        This results in half the amps available for each z motor.

                                        Not correct. As Duet Z connectors are wired in series, not parallel, amps remaining same. What they need more is voltage, so when using 2 Zconnectors it is recommended to use 24V for VIN.

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                                        • jay_s_ukundefined
                                          jay_s_uk @aidar
                                          last edited by

                                          @aidar ah, ok. Thanks

                                          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                          • dingo007undefined
                                            dingo007 @A Former User
                                            last edited by

                                            @CaLviNx ok slightly confused about the SDcard and LCD panel, no longer needed right so dont bother trying to wire them in??

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