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    A Former User
    last edited by 29 Jul 2020, 10:41

    sounds like you may have wired the other motors incorrectly, ref https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors#Section_Identifying_the_stepper_motor_phases to check the motor wiring.

    (turn off the power before making any changes to the motor wiring!)

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      peter247
      last edited by peter247 29 Jul 2020, 10:45

      Check the phases and wiring .

      If you try to home any of the axis you will get a fault if the Z axis is wrong because it lifts the bed ( Z ) before it moves X or Y axis.

      Ender 5 plus linear rail and hemera powered by duet 2 wifi , CR10s pro v1 with bltouch mostly stock , BLV mgn Cube slowly being built powered by duet 3 mini 5+

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        Inno 3D
        last edited by 29 Jul 2020, 15:34

        Many thanks for your reply!

        I've checked the wiring and all are connected right!

        It's specially weird, that only one z motor from 4 make this sounds and vibrates.

        I hope you have another idea!

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          A Former User @Inno 3D
          last edited by 29 Jul 2020, 15:37

          @Inno-3D said in only z motor tries to work:

          I hope you have another idea!

          the other idea is that the drivers might be damaged, so I was hoping the one idea was enough.

          Run M122 before and after asking the motors to move and post the results and one of the big shots will probably be able to say something about whats up

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            Inno 3D
            last edited by 29 Jul 2020, 15:43

            Ok I've did it!

            bevore:

            M122
            === Diagnostics ===
            RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 2.03 running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
            Board ID: 08DLM-996RU-N8PS0-7JTDG-3SJ6N-TBB7R
            Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (16 max)
            === RTOS ===
            Static ram: 25680
            Dynamic ram: 94040 of which 0 recycled
            Exception stack ram used: 312
            Never used ram: 11040
            Tasks: NETWORK(ready,660) HEAT(blocked,1236) DUEX(suspended,156) MAIN(running,3792) IDLE(ready,160)
            Owned mutexes:
            === Platform ===
            Last reset 00:01:08 ago, cause: power up
            Last software reset time unknown, reason: User, spinning module GCodes, available RAM 10964 bytes (slot 3)
            Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x0441f000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0xffffffff Task 0x4e49414d
            Error status: 0
            Free file entries: 10
            SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
            SD card longest block write time: 0.0ms, max retries 0
            MCU temperature: min 32.6, current 32.6, max 32.8
            Supply voltage: min 18.8, current 22.4, max 23.3, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
            Driver 0: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 1: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 2: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 3: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 4: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 5: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 6: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 7: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 8: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 9: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Date/time: 2020-07-29 17:41:32
            Cache data hit count 263902734
            Slowest loop: 1.11ms; fastest: 0.08ms
            I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
            === Move ===
            Hiccups: 0, FreeDm: 169, MinFreeDm: 169, MaxWait: 0ms
            Bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
            === DDARing ===
            Scheduled moves: 0, completed moves: 0, StepErrors: 0, LaErrors: 0, Underruns: 0, 0
            === Heat ===
            Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1
            === GCodes ===
            Segments left: 0
            Stack records: 1 allocated, 0 in use
            Movement lock held by null
            http is idle in state(s) 0
            telnet is idle in state(s) 0
            file is idle in state(s) 0
            serial is idle in state(s) 0
            aux is idle in state(s) 0
            daemon is idle in state(s) 0
            queue is idle in state(s) 0
            autopause is idle in state(s) 0
            Code queue is empty.
            === Network ===
            Slowest loop: 200.54ms; fastest: 0.08ms
            Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0) Telnet(0)
            HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
            - WiFi -
            Network state is running
            WiFi module is connected to access point
            Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 1
            WiFi firmware version 1.23
            WiFi MAC address ec:fa:bc:5b:45:8f
            WiFi Vcc 3.37, reset reason Turned on by main processor
            WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 25672
            WiFi IP address 192.168.188.41
            WiFi signal strength -59dBm, reconnections 1, sleep mode modem
            Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

            after:

            M122
            === Diagnostics ===
            RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 2.03 running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later + DueX5
            Board ID: 08DLM-996RU-N8PS0-7JTDG-3SJ6N-TBB7R
            Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (16 max)
            === RTOS ===
            Static ram: 25680
            Dynamic ram: 94084 of which 0 recycled
            Exception stack ram used: 348
            Never used ram: 10960
            Tasks: NETWORK(ready,652) HEAT(blocked,1236) DUEX(suspended,156) MAIN(running,3792) IDLE(ready,160)
            Owned mutexes:
            === Platform ===
            Last reset 00:01:50 ago, cause: power up
            Last software reset time unknown, reason: User, spinning module GCodes, available RAM 10964 bytes (slot 3)
            Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x0441f000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0xffffffff Task 0x4e49414d
            Error status: 0
            Free file entries: 10
            SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
            SD card longest block write time: 16.0ms, max retries 0
            MCU temperature: min 32.5, current 33.1, max 33.3
            Supply voltage: min 18.8, current 23.1, max 24.8, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
            Driver 0: standstill, SG min/max 0/428
            Driver 1: standstill, SG min/max 0/454
            Driver 2: standstill, SG min/max 0/1023
            Driver 3: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 4: standstill, SG min/max 0/526
            Driver 5: standstill, SG min/max 0/6
            Driver 6: standstill, SG min/max 0/6
            Driver 7: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 8: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Driver 9: standstill, SG min/max not available
            Date/time: 2020-07-29 17:42:13
            Cache data hit count 426704446
            Slowest loop: 4.40ms; fastest: 0.08ms
            I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
            === Move ===
            Hiccups: 2788, FreeDm: 169, MinFreeDm: 167, MaxWait: 92085ms
            Bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
            === DDARing ===
            Scheduled moves: 5, completed moves: 5, StepErrors: 0, LaErrors: 0, Underruns: 0, 0
            === Heat ===
            Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1
            === GCodes ===
            Segments left: 0
            Stack records: 1 allocated, 0 in use
            Movement lock held by null
            http is idle in state(s) 0
            telnet is idle in state(s) 0
            file is idle in state(s) 0
            serial is idle in state(s) 0
            aux is idle in state(s) 0
            daemon is idle in state(s) 0
            queue is idle in state(s) 0
            autopause is idle in state(s) 0
            Code queue is empty.
            === Network ===
            Slowest loop: 203.13ms; fastest: 0.08ms
            Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0) Telnet(0)
            HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
            - WiFi -
            Network state is running
            WiFi module is connected to access point
            Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 2
            WiFi firmware version 1.23
            WiFi MAC address ec:fa:bc:5b:45:8f
            WiFi Vcc 3.37, reset reason Turned on by main processor
            WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 25784
            WiFi IP address 192.168.188.41
            WiFi signal strength -59dBm, reconnections 1, sleep mode modem
            Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
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              droftarts administrators @Inno 3D
              last edited by 29 Jul 2020, 15:55

              @Inno-3D Please post your config.g file, and perhaps post a picture of how your Duet and Duex are wired. The result shows that driver 2 has stalled (the SG min/max 0/1023), and that (I think) nothing is connected to driver 5 and 6. I'd guess the Z motor on 2 is wired incorrectly. Or, if you have only one motor plugged in on Z, do you have the jumpers on the second Z output pins? See below:

              57dfdd45-3b96-4dca-ad5d-26a2140becb5-image.png

              For example when I would like to home x, the z motor tries to home.

              That's quite normal; in the homing files, the Z usually lifts the nozzle (or drops the bed, depending on your machine) 5mm to avoid it hitting the bed, before homing X or Y.

              Ian

              Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                Inno 3D
                last edited by 29 Jul 2020, 16:40

                Thanks for your reply!

                That's my config.g file:

                ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3)
                ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                ;
                ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Sun Jul 12 2020 17:24:58 GMT+0200 (Mitteleuropäische Sommerzeit)
                ; General preferences
                G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
                M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
                M550 P"Inno 3D" ; set printer name
                ; Network
                M551 P"Inno3D" ; set password
                M552 S1 ; enable network
                M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
                M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
                M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet
                ; Drives
                M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
                M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
                M569 P2 S1 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
                M569 P3 S1 ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
                M569 P4 S1 ; physical drive 4 goes forwards
                M569 P5 S1 ; physical drive 5 goes forwards
                M569 P6 S1 ; physical drive 6 goes forwards
                M584 X0 Y1:4 Z2:5:6 E3 ; set drive mapping
                M350 X16 Y16:16 Z16:16:16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                M92 X6400.00 Y5120.00:5120.00 Z5120.00:5120.00:5120.00 E420.00 ; set steps per mm
                M566 X900.00 Y900.00:900.00 Z12.00:12.00:12.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00:6000.00 Z180.00:180.00:180.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                M201 X500.00 Y500.00:500.00 Z20.00:20.00:20.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                M906 X2000 Y2000:2000 Z2000:2000:2000 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
                ; Axis Limits
                M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
                M208 X1500 Y2500 Z1500 S0 ; set axis maxima
                ; Endstops
                M574 X2 S1 P"xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for high end on X via pin xstop
                M574 Y2 S1 P"ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for high end on Y via pin ystop
                ; Z-Probe
                M950 S0 C"duex.pwm2" ; create servo pin 0 for BLTouch
                M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H5 F120 T6000 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
                G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z2.5 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                M557 X15:1485 Y15:2485 S20 ; define mesh grid
                ; Heaters
                M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
                M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
                M307 H0 B1 S1.00 ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
                M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
                M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
                ; Fans
                M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
                M106 P0 S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                ; Tools
                M563 P1 S"FAN" D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 1
                G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 1 axis offsets
                G10 P1 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                ; Custom settings are not defined
                ; Miscellaneous
                M911 S22 R23 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss

                board wiring

                motor wiring

                I hope, that you can work with this information!

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                  Phaedrux Moderator
                  last edited by 29 Jul 2020, 20:43

                  Driver 2 has 2 ports, but they are wired in series, so you cannot use it for 4 separate motors as it sounds like you are trying to do.

                  Your photo shows you have some spare drivers left, so move the second motor on driver 2 to its own driver and replace it with the jumpers as indicated by @droftarts and then remap the Z axis to use 4 drivers in M584

                  Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                    droftarts administrators @Inno 3D
                    last edited by 29 Jul 2020, 20:57

                    @Inno-3D You have Z defined as drivers 2, 5 and 6. But, as I expected, you don't have anything connected to drivers 5 and 6 on the Duet. There are two motors connected to driver 8 and 9. And you have two motors on the Z driver. What is the specification of these motors?

                    Your config.g shows why you're having problems with Z, and probably with your other motors as well. With 5120 steps per mm, and maximum speed of 180mm/m (3mm/s), your Z motors can't move fast enough. Even the accelerations and instantaneous speed changes settings are probably too high to allow the motor to move. Your steps per mm are peculiarly high; are you sure they are correct? What are the motors driving?

                    Also, in your config.g you have many places where you have defined motor settings for each motor on the axis, eg
                    M350 X16 Y16:16 Z16:16:16 E16 I1
                    You can only define each motor on the E axis. For the other axes, only the first setting is used. The rest are ignored, and/or may even cause problems. Use these:

                    M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                    M92 X6400.00 Y5120.00 Z5120.00 E420.00 ; set steps per mm
                    M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z12.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                    M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z180.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                    M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z20.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                    M906 X2000 Y2000 Z2000 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent

                    Ian

                    Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                      Inno 3D @Phaedrux
                      last edited by 30 Jul 2020, 10:50

                      Many thanks for your response!

                      @Phaedrux I will test it later when I'am at home.

                      @droftarts Oh that's my fault, the two motors connected to driver 8 and 9 should be connected to driver 5 and 6. I will change it!

                      Motor Specifications 1

                      Motor Specifications 2

                      This are brake motors but I defently know, that the brake is open, because i can rotate thim myself.

                      I know that the motor rated current is 3 amps and the duet 2 wifi only provide 2,4 amps. Is it a problem, when the motor don't get 3 amps?

                      Oh yes you are right the steps per mm are to high. I actually changed it.

                      The z motors are driving a leadscrew with a picht from 5 mm and they have a gear ratio from 1:1,38. So I have 883,2 steps per mm.

                      steps per mm calculator

                      You can only define each motor on the E axis. For the other axes, only the first setting is used. The rest are ignored, and/or may even cause problems. Use these:

                      Ok! I will use these part and change it at my config file.

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                        droftarts administrators @Inno 3D
                        last edited by droftarts 30 Jul 2020, 10:59

                        @Inno-3D the motor specification says these motors have an inductance of 11mH, which is very high. This will limit the speed. See https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors#Section_Inductance

                        Use the EMF calculator here to work out the maximum speed you can drive these motors: https://www.reprapfirmware.org/
                        I expect it won’t be very high. In the end, these motors may not be a good choice for this application.

                        Ian

                        Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                          Inno 3D
                          last edited by 30 Jul 2020, 11:53

                          @droftarts I have hope I have used the right values. I have this calculated:

                          EMF calculator.png

                          Does it mean that the maximum speed is 17.1 mm/s?

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                            droftarts administrators @Inno 3D
                            last edited by 30 Jul 2020, 14:13

                            @Inno-3D can you show the motor settings? Because I’d expect the results to be much lower.

                            Ian

                            Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                              Inno 3D
                              last edited by 30 Jul 2020, 15:18

                              @droftarts here is a photo of the settings
                              which are hopefully right.

                              EMF calculator1.png

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                                droftarts administrators @Inno 3D
                                last edited by 30 Jul 2020, 16:22

                                @Inno-3D the steps per mm is different from earlier? Which is correct? In reality, what the EMF calculator suggests is usually the absolute maximum. It’s best to set max speed a sensible amount below this.

                                Ian

                                Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                                  Inno 3D
                                  last edited by 30 Jul 2020, 20:52

                                  @droftarts i think that the steps per mm above are correct, because I have used another steps per mm calculator an it said the same one like abobe.

                                  Ok I will test it tomorrow and give feedback

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                                    Inno 3D
                                    last edited by Inno 3D 31 Jul 2020, 09:18

                                    @droftarts I changed the steps per mm and I have connected the motors to the right driver. Now It's working better but not corretly.

                                    I tested to home all axis, the the z axis drove a little bit up and than the y axis shortly rotate.

                                    But what is with the x axis? And why does y only shortly rotate? And why doesn't the z axis drive down? Do you know why?

                                    I tested the connection cabel from the x motor and it works

                                    I don't understand it!

                                    Many thanks for your help!!!

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                                      A Former User @Inno 3D
                                      last edited by 31 Jul 2020, 09:21

                                      @Inno-3D said in only z motor tries to work:

                                      And why does y only shortly rotate?

                                      you'd probably need to post your homing files to be able to answer that.

                                      and you have confirmed the endstops are working correctly?

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                                        Inno 3D @A Former User
                                        last edited by 31 Jul 2020, 09:29

                                        @bearer I've tested the endstops. When I put them, I get a signal. So I think, that they are working.

                                        Here are my homin files:

                                        homez.g homey.g homex.g homeall.g

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                                          droftarts administrators @Inno 3D
                                          last edited by 31 Jul 2020, 09:44

                                          @Inno-3D please post current config.g, and M122 after trying to home.

                                          Ian

                                          Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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