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    • jumpedwithbothfeetundefined
      jumpedwithbothfeet @Phaedrux
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      @Phaedrux @agent0810 just a few thoughts... looking over your config.g and comparing it with mine, the probe offset should be a positive not negative, are you still using your Z end stop switch instead of the probe?

      Given M29 was sending your probe to front left i would look start looking at motor direction and end stops, my ender 5 homes back right X,Y to 0,0 and my mesh always starts from here

      i've added an old config of mine but its for the Duet 3 that and few other things have been changed like my X axis direction but still it might help

      config.g

      Regards Jim

      6HC Voron Trident based, 6XD CNC, Mini 5 polar printer

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      • Phaedruxundefined
        Phaedrux Moderator @jumpedwithbothfeet
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        @jumpedwithbothfeet said in Issues with IR Probe offset:

        Given M29 was sending your probe to front left i would look start looking at motor direction and end stops, my ender 5 homes back right X,Y to 0,0 and my mesh always starts from here

        Your coordinates are reversed, but we've worked through with @agent0810 to place the 0,0 position at the front left and home to the back right to match a right hand coordinate system to match the common 3D printer arrangement. The Ender5 is an aberration in that regards. Hope that explains the difference.

        left_right_hand.gif Cartesian-coordinate-system.png

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        • jumpedwithbothfeetundefined
          jumpedwithbothfeet @Phaedrux
          last edited by jumpedwithbothfeet

          @Phaedrux lol nope if anything you’ve just confused me more!, However don’t want to pollute this thread With my lack of understanding so I will go do some research! Either way I hope you get agent0810 printing soon I’ll be watching this thread with interest as I’ve had the same issues!

          Cheers Jim

          6HC Voron Trident based, 6XD CNC, Mini 5 polar printer

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          • agent0810undefined
            agent0810 @jumpedwithbothfeet
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            @jumpedwithbothfeet

            hey guys, sorry for the delay, got sick and was having a down system at work.

            so i set it back to:
            M557 X10:175 Y10:215 P8

            and here is what i get:

            8/3/2020, 12:02:36 PM M29
            GCode end-of-file being interpreted.

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            • agent0810undefined
              agent0810 @Phaedrux
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              @Phaedrux

              got it to finally work, but it looks worse lol

              3287af3a-e74c-48c5-b0b3-c87f2d534f94-image.png

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              • JoergS5undefined
                JoergS5 @agent0810
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                @agent0810 just level the bed along the Y axis, this should make it better a lot.

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                • agent0810undefined
                  agent0810 @JoergS5
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                  @JoergS5

                  i have went around multiple points on the bed and done the paper trick to get the bed as level as i think i possible can. advice on how to get it more accurate? thank you!

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                  • JoergS5undefined
                    JoergS5 @agent0810
                    last edited by JoergS5

                    @agent0810 I meant the map shows that one side is higher than the other side in the Y direction, so you only need to make higher or lower the bed a bit on one side. I don't know what you use, screws e.g. Then the map should look a lot better and you can run the procedure again. It's often an iterative process to get a good result.

                    What is important, that you have a stable construction of the bed, otherwise you would have a "moving target". My second 3D printer was Prusa style, and I never finished calibrating the bed. Every time I wanted to print, it was inexact again, probably due to the springs or screws or uneven bed. It was not fun after the 10th calibration anymore, wasted time and filament.

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                    • Phaedruxundefined
                      Phaedrux Moderator
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                      It looks worse than it really is. The visual representation is exaggerated. The real differents is about 1.5mm from end to end. This could be the bed, or it could be the Y axis itself being a bit out of alignment. Do you have a flat edge ruler or machinist's square or even a builder square to check the squareness of the frame?

                      But you're on your way now if your probe is working.

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                      • agent0810undefined
                        agent0810 @Phaedrux
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                        @Phaedrux I’m not sure my probe is working correctly, no matter what I do it either eaves the nozzle to far from the bed (this is 85% of the time) or it is way to close and no filament comes out. Should I try moving the probe up a tad bit?

                        I checked the squareness of the frame when I put it together and thought it was pretty damn good.

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                        • Phaedruxundefined
                          Phaedrux Moderator
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                          @agent0810 said in Issues with IR Probe offset:

                          Should I try moving the probe up a tad bit?

                          Can you post a photo of the probe as it is mounted?

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                          • agent0810undefined
                            agent0810 @Phaedrux
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                            @Phaedrux

                            Of course.
                            image.jpg

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                            • Phaedruxundefined
                              Phaedrux Moderator
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                              Is that mount improved at all over the last time we looked at it?

                              Have you tried placing a plain white sheet of paper on the bed and testing the probe that way? Perhaps it's picking up (or not picking up, as the case may be) on the bed surface.

                              But your probe repeatability results look ok, at least for that single point.

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                              • agent0810undefined
                                agent0810 @Phaedrux
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                                @Phaedrux

                                I reprinted the mount, this was for the ender 3 but fits okay on my ender 5.

                                I have taped a white paper and the results were the same as without it.

                                What you see in the picture is as close as I can get it withought having th nozzle drag on the glass. I can use the baby steps during a print to move it but when I remove that amount in my config it makes no difference.

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                                • Phaedruxundefined
                                  Phaedrux Moderator
                                  last edited by

                                  Can you perform the G30 S-1 trigger height test at multiple points across the bed? It would be good to know if the repeatability is good across the bed surface and if the trigger height changes.

                                  What do you have in your slicer start gcode?

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                                  • jumpedwithbothfeetundefined
                                    jumpedwithbothfeet @agent0810
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                                    @agent0810 @Phaedrux It might be the picture but is the board to high? The quote below is from the installation instructions, worth double checking?

                                    “The bottom edge of the board should be between 1mm and 2mm higher than the tip of the nozzle. This should give you a trigger height between 0.5mm and 1.5mm.”

                                    Regards Jim

                                    6HC Voron Trident based, 6XD CNC, Mini 5 polar printer

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                                    • agent0810undefined
                                      agent0810 @jumpedwithbothfeet
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                                      @jumpedwithbothfeet

                                      hey guys, so my buddy just put a BLtouch on his non duet board and he had to set the touch to probe before the print then save the points it pulled to get the first layer, here is the gcode he used.

                                      do we need to do something like that?

                                      G28 ; home all axes
                                      G1 Z10 F600 ; raise Z axis
                                      M190 S[bed0_temperature] ; stabilize bed
                                      M109 S[extruder0_temperature] ; stabilize extruder
                                      G1 X5 Y10 Z0.2 F3000 ; move to wait position
                                      G28; Home all axes
                                      G29; bed leveling
                                      M500; Store bed settings
                                      G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
                                      G1 E90 F1500 ; load filament
                                      G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
                                      G1 X160 E15 F600 ; prime nozzle
                                      G1 X180 F5000 ; quick wipe

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                                      • Phaedruxundefined
                                        Phaedrux Moderator @agent0810
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                                        @agent0810 no, m500 in reprapfirmware behaves quite differently to boards with an eeprom. It only saves certain things. Check the gcode wiki entry for m500 for specifics. But in RRF as soon as g29 is run the height map is saved and applied.

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                                        • jumpedwithbothfeetundefined
                                          jumpedwithbothfeet @agent0810
                                          last edited by jumpedwithbothfeet

                                          @agent0810 @Phaedrux must be an ender 5 curse mine is also now playing up! But I have just changed out the hotend for a better one and it’s now reporting a substantial offset, if I find the issue I’ll let you know!

                                          Regards Jim

                                          6HC Voron Trident based, 6XD CNC, Mini 5 polar printer

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                                          • jumpedwithbothfeetundefined
                                            jumpedwithbothfeet
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                                            @agent0810 @Phaedrux its now working again here’s a list of things a changed and checked, bare in mind I’m running duet 3 with sbc.

                                            Firmware update - 79 files to update lol yup it’s been awhile
                                            Bed autopid - has helped in the past but I’ve no idea why!
                                            Reset the trigger height
                                            Levelled bed
                                            Calibrated z probe - trigger height now 3.021
                                            G29 - offset still poor test print failed
                                            Reset trigger height
                                            Adjusted IR probe height higher to about 3-4mm im now getting a trigger height of 1.451mm
                                            G29 carried out - bed now displays on the correct plane and flatter.
                                            First layer is much improved

                                            1AC5E23A-705A-45B3-AEC3-B41675A2D547.jpeg

                                            Hope this helps 🙂

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