Duet3D Logo Duet3D
    • Tags
    • Documentation
    • Order
    • Register
    • Login

    Triple z axis bed tramming

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved
    Tuning and tweaking
    3
    32
    1.4k
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • mrenz999undefined
      mrenz999
      last edited by

      I am trying to get the bed tramming working. After homing all axis's I send the command. It moves to the first screw and just stops. No errors and not attempting to measure.

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • dc42undefined
        dc42 administrators
        last edited by

        Please post your config.g and bed.g files, and confirm exactly what you are doing to try to accomplish "bed tramming".

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • mrenz999undefined
          mrenz999
          last edited by

          I am trying to get the 3 z motors to level themselves.

          ; bed.g
          ; called to perform automatic bed compensation via G32
          ;
          ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.1 on Thu Jun 04 2020 11:20:24 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
          ;M561 ; clear any bed transform
          ;G29 ; probe the bed and enable compensation
          G28 ; home
          ;M401 ; deploy Z probe
          G30 P0 X20 Y70 Z-99999 ; probe near an adjusting screw
          G30 P1 X20 Y400 Z-99999 ; probe near an adjusting screw
          G30 P2 X400 Y200 Z-99999 S3 ; probe near an adjusting screw and calibrate 3 motors

          ;M402 ; retract probe

          ; Configuration file for Duet 3 (firmware version 3)
          ; executed by the firmware on start-up
          ;
          ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Tue Jun 16 2020 08:02:01 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

          ; General preferences
          G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
          M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
          M550 P"Duet 3" ; set printer name
          M669 K1 ; select CoreXY mode

          ; Drives
          M569 P0.0 S0 ; physical drive 0.0 goes forwards
          M569 P0.1 S1 ; physical drive 0.1 goes forwards
          M569 P0.2 S0 ; physical drive 0.2 goes forwards
          M569 P0.3 S0
          M569 P0.4 S1
          M569 P0.5 S1 ; physical drive 0.3 goes forwards
          M584 X0.0 Y0.1 Z0.2:3:4 E0.5 ; set drive mapping
          M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
          M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E420.00 ; set steps per mm
          M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z60.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
          M203 X20000 Y20000 Z600 E3600.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
          M201 X3000 Y3000 Z100 E5000 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
          M906 X1600 Y1600 Z1600 E1600 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
          M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
          M671 X20:20:400 Y70:360:200 S0.5 ; leadscrews at rear left, front middle and rear right

          ; Axis Limits
          M208 X-20 Y-15 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
          M208 X430 Y425 Z465 S0 ; set axis maxima

          ; Endstops
          M574 X1 S1 P"!io0.in" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin !io0.in
          M574 Y1 S1 P"!io1.in" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin !io1.in
          M574 Z1 S2 ; configure Z-probe endstop for low end on Z

          ; Z-Probe
          ;M950 S0 C"io7.out" ; create servo pin 0 for BLTouch
          ;M558 P9 C"^io7.in" H5 F120 T6000 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds height + speeds
          ;G31 P500 X-40 Y-10 Z6 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
          M557 X20:430 Y0:410 S20 ; define mesh grid
          Z-Probe
          M558 P8 C"^io7.out"
          G31 P500 X-20 Y0 Z7.7

          ; Heaters
          M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4008 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin temp0
          M950 H0 C"out0" T0 ; create bed heater output on out0 and map it to sensor 0
          M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
          M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
          M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
          M308 S1 P"temp1" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin temp1
          M950 H1 C"out1" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on out1 and map it to sensor 1
          M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
          M143 H1 S300

          ; Fans
          M950 F0 C"out7" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin out7 and set its frequency
          M106 P0 S1 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
          M950 F1 C"out8" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin out8 and set its frequency
          M106 P1 S1 H-1 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
          M950 F2 C"out9" Q500 ; create fan 2 on pin out9 and set its frequency
          M106 P2 S1 H-1 ; set fan 2 value. Thermostatic control is turned off

          ; Tools
          M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
          G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
          G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

          ; Custom settings are not defined

          ; Miscellaneous
          M575 P1 S1 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue
          M911 S10 R11 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss
          M501

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • Phaedruxundefined
            Phaedrux Moderator
            last edited by

            @mrenz999 said in Triple z axis bed tramming:

            M671 X20:20:400 Y70:360:200 S0.5 ; leadscrews at rear left, front middle and rear right

            Is this the actual locations of your lead screws? Are they inside the printable area?

            Do you use your probe for homing Z in your homeall.g?

            I assume you've seen this? https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Bed_levelling_using_multiple_independent_Z_motors

            Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • mrenz999undefined
              mrenz999
              last edited by

              @Phaedrux They are not inside the printable area. They are outside it by about 60mm to the outside.

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • Phaedruxundefined
                Phaedrux Moderator
                last edited by

                They are outside it by about 60mm to the outside.

                That's not what your M671 indicates.

                Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                mrenz999undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • mrenz999undefined
                  mrenz999 @Phaedrux
                  last edited by

                  @Phaedrux M671 X-60:-60:485 Y110:365:240 S0.5 ; leadscrews at rear left, front middle and rear right
                  Ok fixed that. It moves all the way back to the y endstop and it stops No error or anything. Just stops.

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • Phaedruxundefined
                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by

                    Are you using a right handed coordinate system with 0,0 in the front left? -X moves to the left, +X moves to the right, -Y moves to the front, +Y moves to the back?

                    Are the lead screw positions in your M671 relative to that 0,0 point in the front left?

                    Are your probe offsets correct relative to the nozzle? G31 P500 X-20 Y0 Z7.7

                    Are the points in the M671 in the same order as the motors are defined in M584?

                    Are the points defined in your bed.g trying to place the probe as close to the lead screws as possible?

                    Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                    mrenz999undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • mrenz999undefined
                      mrenz999 @Phaedrux
                      last edited by

                      @Phaedrux X is back right. Y is back. So Left for +Y and Forward for +X. Yes offsets are relative to the nozzle. The points in the bed.g are exactly where they are relative to the endstop 0's. The M671 motors are in the correct order.

                      Phaedruxundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • Phaedruxundefined
                        Phaedrux Moderator @mrenz999
                        last edited by

                        @mrenz999 said in Triple z axis bed tramming:

                        So Left for +Y and Forward for +X.

                        That's definitely a non standard arrangement and I can't tell with metal gymnastics alone if that's going to produce mirrored prints or not, or if it's just an odd rotation of a right hand coordinate system.

                        Can you post a photo of the printer looking down at it and explain where the endstops are?

                        Having a non-standard coordinate system is going to make for headaches like this.

                        Here's an example of a right handed setup.

                        left_right_hand.gif dbot axis.png Cartesian-coordinate-system.png Bed Area.png

                        Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                        mrenz999undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • mrenz999undefined
                          mrenz999 @Phaedrux
                          last edited by

                          @Phaedrux My other printer is the same from factory. The one I am working on now is a BLV MGN Cube. Not having issues with the prints other than getting the bed leveling handled. The front of the printer is open. So everything goes to the far right for 0,0.

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • Phaedruxundefined
                            Phaedrux Moderator
                            last edited by

                            The 0,0 point doesn't have to be where the endstops are located. The right handed coordinate system assumes you're looking at the printer from the front. It's fine to have the 0,0 position in a different position provided it's both axis that are flipped. If only one is flipped you'd get mirrored prints.

                            Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                            mrenz999undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • mrenz999undefined
                              mrenz999 @Phaedrux
                              last edited by

                              @Phaedrux Gotcha. So instead of front left 0,0 is back right on this one and the Zonestar M9Z3 that I have. The CR10sPro that I have is like what you are saying. 0,0 is front left.

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator
                                last edited by

                                Yeah back right is fine as long as you're orienting that in your brain. It's still a right handed coordinate system, it's just rotated 180 degrees.

                                The front left thing is mostly to match the way slicers and CAD software orient the origin and it helps to have a standardized way of talking about it with other people so that we're all on the same page. Instructions usually assume that coordinate system for instance.

                                The important thing is that where ever you've defined the 0,0 position, if you were standing at the printer such that that point is at the front left, then the motor movements should match what I originally described. -x to the left, etc.

                                Is that the case?

                                Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                                mrenz999undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • mrenz999undefined
                                  mrenz999 @Phaedrux
                                  last edited by

                                  @Phaedrux yep. That is the case.

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • Phaedruxundefined
                                    Phaedrux Moderator
                                    last edited by

                                    Alright, so now with that in mind, lead screw positions in M671 correct, M208 axis limits correct, probe offset correct, motor order matches.. that leaves us with the points in bed.g and my original question.

                                    Are the points defined in your bed.g trying to place the probe as close to the lead screws as possible?

                                    A good way to check would be to move your print head such that the probe is as close as possible to the first lead screw, then use that current head position as the point to probe, repeat for the other lead screws.

                                    Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                                    mrenz999undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • mrenz999undefined
                                      mrenz999 @Phaedrux
                                      last edited by

                                      @Phaedrux those are exact. I couldn’t probe them.

                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • Phaedruxundefined
                                        Phaedrux Moderator
                                        last edited by

                                        Can you post your homeall?

                                        When you run G32 does it home correctly and then move to the first point?

                                        Does the probe work otherwise?

                                        Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                                        mrenz999undefined 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • mrenz999undefined
                                          mrenz999 @Phaedrux
                                          last edited by

                                          @Phaedrux

                                          ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.1 on Thu Jun 04 2020 11:20:25 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

                                          G91 ; relative positioning

                                          G1 H2 Z5 F6000 ; lift Z relative to current position

                                          G1 H1 X-450 Y-450 F1800 ; move quickly to X and Y axis endstops and stop there (first pass)

                                          G1 H1 X-450

                                          G1 H1 Y-450

                                          G1 X5 Y5 F6000 ; go back a few mm

                                          G1 H1 X-450 Y-450 F360 ; move slowly to X and Y axis endstops once more (second pass)

                                          G1 X250 Y210 F9000 ; go to first bed probe point and home Z

                                          G30 ; probe the bed

                                          G1 H1 Z-465 F360

                                          G90

                                          G92 Z5

                                          Probe works. G32 command only goes near the 0,0 and then just stops.

                                          Phaedruxundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • mrenz999undefined
                                            mrenz999 @Phaedrux
                                            last edited by

                                            @Phaedrux found part of the issue. The z motors were not mapped correctly in the bed.g. Fixed that. Now it homes all. Then goes back the home x and y and tries to probe which is off the bed.

                                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • First post
                                              Last post
                                            Unless otherwise noted, all forum content is licensed under CC-BY-SA