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    • Phaedruxundefined
      Phaedrux Moderator
      last edited by

      Tfree1 tfree0 still has

      ;mesh levelling off
      G29 S2

      And you've commented out all the G29 S1 to turn them on. Just remove all references to G29 in your tool files.

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      • duetloverundefined
        duetlover
        last edited by

        @Phaedrux said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

        M98 P"config.g"?

        => no error

        I will test with all G29 commented.

        But as I told you I only use T2 and T3.

        How could G29 in T0 or T1 could affect my print ?

        All the more the print starts with T2 and bed levelling is active for this first tool.

        Keep you updated !

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        • sebkritikelundefined
          sebkritikel @duetlover
          last edited by

          @sylvain said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

          @Phaedrux said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

          M98 P"config.g"?

          => no error

          I will test with all G29 commented.

          But as I told you I only use T2 and T3.

          How could G29 in T0 or T1 could affect my print ?

          All the more the print starts with T2 and bed levelling is active for this first tool.

          Keep you updated !

          How high (in millimeters) is the object you are printing when the printer changes from T2 to T3?

          Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
          Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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          • duetloverundefined
            duetlover
            last edited by duetlover

            The change to T3 is done at about 3 mm.

            I also thought at M376 H15

            but the bed levlling is stopped before.

            Thanks

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            • Phaedruxundefined
              Phaedrux Moderator
              last edited by

              You have T-1 in your config to deselect all tools, so perhaps that's when the tfree files are getting called.

              Removing all references should tell us.

              Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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              • duetloverundefined
                duetlover
                last edited by duetlover

                T-1 and ALL G29 commented => same results... 😞

                If it could help, here is the part of gcode file when T3 is selected for the first time :

                G1 X199.790 Y94.848 E0.0216
                G1 X197.752 Y92.810 E0.1258
                G1 X198.247 Y92.810 E0.0216
                G1 X199.790 Y94.353 E0.0952
                G1 X199.790 Y93.858 E0.0216
                G1 X198.742 Y92.810 E0.0647
                G1 X199.237 Y92.810 E0.0216
                G1 X199.790 Y93.363 E0.0341
                G1 X199.790 Y92.868 E0.0216
                G1 X199.732 Y92.810 E0.0036
                G1 E-4.0000 F4200
                ; layer 7, Z = 2.167
                T3
                
                G91
                G1 Z5 F600
                G90
                
                G1 X200.600 Y107.666 
                ; feature outer perimeter
                ; tool H0.250 W0.010
                G1 Z6.667 F120
                G1 X99.205 Y91.805 F120
                G1 Z1.917 F120
                G1 X200.795 Y91.805 E0.1056 F300
                G1 X200.795 Y108.195 E0.0170
                G1 X99.205 Y108.195 E0.1056
                G1 X99.205 Y91.805 E0.0170
                

                When T2 is selected again after T3 bed levelling is running again.

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                • sebkritikelundefined
                  sebkritikel @duetlover
                  last edited by

                  @sylvain said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

                  T-1 and ALL G29 commented => same results... 😞

                  If it could help, here is the part of gcode file when T3 is selected for the first time :

                  G1 X199.790 Y94.848 E0.0216
                  G1 X197.752 Y92.810 E0.1258
                  G1 X198.247 Y92.810 E0.0216
                  G1 X199.790 Y94.353 E0.0952
                  G1 X199.790 Y93.858 E0.0216
                  G1 X198.742 Y92.810 E0.0647
                  G1 X199.237 Y92.810 E0.0216
                  G1 X199.790 Y93.363 E0.0341
                  G1 X199.790 Y92.868 E0.0216
                  G1 X199.732 Y92.810 E0.0036
                  G1 E-4.0000 F4200
                  ; layer 7, Z = 2.167
                  T3
                  
                  G91
                  G1 Z5 F600
                  G90
                  
                  G1 X200.600 Y107.666 
                  ; feature outer perimeter
                  ; tool H0.250 W0.010
                  G1 Z6.667 F120
                  G1 X99.205 Y91.805 F120
                  G1 Z1.917 F120
                  G1 X200.795 Y91.805 E0.1056 F300
                  G1 X200.795 Y108.195 E0.0170
                  G1 X99.205 Y108.195 E0.1056
                  G1 X99.205 Y91.805 E0.0170
                  

                  When T2 is selected again after T3 bed levelling is running again.

                  I do not know, I'm sorry. It looks OK to me.

                  Just conjecture, but G10 and the taper command couldn't possibly be causing this right? I see no reason for that to be the case...

                  G10 P3 X-0.5	Y36.7	Z-35.26				; T3
                  

                  I recognize Z-35.26 is necessary.

                  @sylvain could you try commenting out M376 H15?

                  Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                  Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                  • Phaedruxundefined
                    Phaedrux Moderator @sebkritikel
                    last edited by

                    @sebkritikel said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

                    Just conjecture, but G10 and the taper command couldn't possibly be causing this right? I see no reason for that to be the case...
                    G10 P3 X-0.5 Y36.7 Z-35.26 ; T3

                    I recognize Z-35.26 is necessary.
                    @sylvain could you try commenting out M376 H15?

                    Worth a shot.

                    Also, are you sure you've got G29 S1 enabled somewhere else now? Should be in the slicer start gcode or start.g at least.

                    Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                    • duetloverundefined
                      duetlover
                      last edited by

                      Commenting M376 solved the issue !

                      Thanks !

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                      • sebkritikelundefined
                        sebkritikel @duetlover
                        last edited by

                        @sylvain said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

                        Commenting M376 solved the issue !

                        Thanks !

                        Very interesting! @Phaedrux if this is truly the cause, I wouldn't say this is expected behavior correct? Expected behavior would be G10 tool offsets having no impacts on mesh taper?

                        Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                        Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                        • Phaedruxundefined
                          Phaedrux Moderator @sebkritikel
                          last edited by

                          @sebkritikel I'll check with DC42 as I really have no idea.

                          Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                          • sebkritikelundefined
                            sebkritikel @Phaedrux
                            last edited by

                            @Phaedrux said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

                            @sebkritikel I'll check with DC42 as I really have no idea.

                            For what its worth, I just tested it on my machine and can confirm G10 Z offsets will interact with with taper values set via M376, similar to what slyvain is seeing.

                            Duet2 Wifi+Duex5
                            3.2-beta2 (2020-10-05b2)

                            Set M376 H15
                            With T0, with no offsets in G10, moved over built plate at Z=6mm. Could see ballscrews moving for compensation

                            Put an artificial offset on T1 (IDEX) of G10 P1 Y.22 U.00 5 Z-20

                            Selected T1, bed moved down to account for Z-20 offset. Still read 6mm.

                            Moved T1 over build plate - no ballscrew/stepper movement for bed compensation.

                            Homed all axes, reset T1 offsets to G10 P1 Y.22 U.00 5 Z.3

                            Moved T1 over build plate (at Z=6mm), could see ballscrews/stepper moving for compensation.

                            Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                            Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                            • duetloverundefined
                              duetlover
                              last edited by

                              Happy to have contribute to find a bug 😉

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                              • sebkritikelundefined
                                sebkritikel @sebkritikel
                                last edited by

                                @sebkritikel said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

                                @Phaedrux said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

                                @sebkritikel I'll check with DC42 as I really have no idea.

                                For what its worth, I just tested it on my machine and can confirm G10 Z offsets will interact with with taper values set via M376, similar to what slyvain is seeing.

                                Duet2 Wifi+Duex5
                                3.2-beta2 (2020-10-05b2)

                                Set M376 H15
                                With T0, with no offsets in G10, moved over built plate at Z=6mm. Could see ballscrews moving for compensation

                                Put an artificial offset on T1 (IDEX) of G10 P1 Y.22 U.00 5 Z-20

                                Selected T1, bed moved down to account for Z-20 offset. Still read 6mm.

                                Moved T1 over build plate - no ballscrew/stepper movement for bed compensation.

                                Homed all axes, reset T1 offsets to G10 P1 Y.22 U.00 5 Z.3

                                Moved T1 over build plate (at Z=6mm), could see ballscrews/stepper moving for compensation.

                                @dc42 this comment should summarize the thread, while tested on an IDEX machine, should be easy to verify on a toolchanger.

                                Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                                Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                                • dcw259undefined
                                  dcw259
                                  last edited by

                                  I've had the same problem with mesh bed compensation and tapering.
                                  Tool offsets were around 6.5mm for T0 and T1 and 3mm for T2 and T3

                                  With M376 H5 (taper off until 5mm) I barely noticed any z adjustments on T2 and T3 and absolutely none on the first two tools.

                                  To confirm, I tried M376 H15 and can see z moving cleanly on all tools.

                                  As it seems, tools offsets is not a part of the calculation behind M376

                                  Hardware: Duet3 MB6HC + 2x Duet 3 EXP3HC
                                  Firmware: MB RRF3.1.1 + EXP RRF3.1.0

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                                  • dc42undefined
                                    dc42 administrators
                                    last edited by

                                    @sylvain @sebkritikel @dcw259, I confirm that mesh compensation taper does not work properly when the tool has a Z offset.

                                    I can squeeze a fix into RRF 3.2 stable, but the fix needs to be tested first. Are any of you running RRF 3.2RC2 and would be open to running an internal build that includes a proposed fix?

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    • sebkritikelundefined
                                      sebkritikel @dc42
                                      last edited by

                                      @dc42 said in Bed mesh compensation not applied to all the tools:

                                      @sylvain @sebkritikel @dcw259, I confirm that mesh compensation taper does not work properly when the tool has a Z offset.

                                      I can squeeze a fix into RRF 3.2 stable, but the fix needs to be tested first. Are any of you running RRF 3.2RC2 and would be open to running an internal build that includes a proposed fix?

                                      I am currently running 3.2-beta3.2, but I can upgrade through RRF 3.2RC2 and/or upgrade to an internal build to test the fix.

                                      Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                                      Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                                      • dc42undefined
                                        dc42 administrators
                                        last edited by

                                        @sebkritikel, if you are running 3.2beta3.2 then I recommend you upgrade to 3.2-RC2 anyway.

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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