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    • Vetiundefined
      Veti @lui2004
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      @lui2004

      is it heating up fast enough? then you dont need to change it.

      i use these.
      https://de.aliexpress.com/item/32857783159.html

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      • lui2004undefined
        lui2004 @Veti
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        @Veti

        i have strange temperature printing pla with 250°C or is it the thermistor that make problems ?

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        • Vetiundefined
          Veti
          last edited by

          what do you mean strange temperature.

          pla does not normally need 250c to print

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          • lui2004undefined
            lui2004
            last edited by

            i know, usually i print with 200-205°C

            you think is a thermistor problem or i need a new heater cartridge ?

            i have remake pid tuning ,still the same i can print pla only with min. 250°C

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti @lui2004
              last edited by

              @lui2004 said in After Micro swiss DD upgrade,Extruder skips steps:

              i have remake pid tuning ,still the same i can print pla only with min. 250°C

              pid tuning does not change the reported temperature.

              this is an indication of a wrong configuration.

              which thermistor are you using at the moment and what is your config line for it?

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              • lui2004undefined
                lui2004 @Veti
                last edited by lui2004

                @Veti

                I have this :

                M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                           ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                M143 H1 S300 								   ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
                M307 H1 B0 S1.00           
                

                NTC-Thermistor 100 K 3950

                Thermistor Cartridge:
                Size: 1.25mmx2.0mm glass bead
                High accuracy: 1%
                Resistance value at 25°C=100K
                Wiring length: 1m / 39.3"
                Operating temperature range: -40 ° C + 300 ° C
                Rated power: 45MW
                
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                • Vetiundefined
                  Veti
                  last edited by

                  yeah that is why i dont like B3950 thermistors. the reported temperature can be way off.

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                  • lui2004undefined
                    lui2004 @Veti
                    last edited by

                    @Veti so the Problem is the thermistor?

                    So i will wait the New one

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                    • Vetiundefined
                      Veti
                      last edited by

                      most likely yes.

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                      • lui2004undefined
                        lui2004 @Veti
                        last edited by

                        @Veti

                        i have installed the new thermistor but i can print pla with 235°C i dont now why

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                        • Vetiundefined
                          Veti @lui2004
                          last edited by Veti

                          @lui2004
                          its not uncommon for the 3950 to be off by 20C

                          did you change the beta and C value?

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                          • lui2004undefined
                            lui2004 @Veti
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                            @Veti

                            i have installed the Semitec 104GT-2 today

                            my config for this :

                            M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                            M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                           ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                            M143 H1 S280 								   ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
                            M307 H1 B0 S1.00           
                            
                            
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                            • lui2004undefined
                              lui2004 @Veti
                              last edited by

                              @Veti

                              thats the thermistor: 104NT-4-R025H42G Semitec Thermistor 100K - NTC

                              i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

                              datasheet:

                              https://reprapworld.de/datasheets/NTCThermistor_NT-461415.pdf
                              
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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti @lui2004
                                last edited by

                                @lui2004 said in After Micro swiss DD upgrade,Extruder skips steps:

                                i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

                                B and C change the algorithm to steinhart hart. its more accurate.

                                see the table

                                https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors#Section_Thermistor_parameters

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                                • lui2004undefined
                                  lui2004 @Veti
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                                  @Veti

                                  the config is also ok like that ?

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                                  • Vetiundefined
                                    Veti
                                    last edited by Veti

                                    yes, but its still strange that you need 235 to print pla.

                                    do you have a steel nozzle?

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                                    • lui2004undefined
                                      lui2004 @Veti
                                      last edited by lui2004

                                      @Veti

                                      yes, hardened steel with Micro Swiss all metal hotend

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                                      • Vetiundefined
                                        Veti @lui2004
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                                        @lui2004 ]

                                        ok steel nozzle a very bad for printing pla. the thermal transfer is very low.

                                        unless you are printing abrasive materials, a brass nozzle is a lot better.

                                        or if you want a much better nozzle, there are copper plated nozzles
                                        https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4000007458595.html

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                                        • lui2004undefined
                                          lui2004 @Veti
                                          last edited by

                                          @Veti

                                          i print only PLA and Petg

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                                          • Vetiundefined
                                            Veti
                                            last edited by

                                            then there is no need for a steel nozzle

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