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    lui2004 @Veti
    last edited by lui2004 13 Dec 2020, 15:50

    @Veti

    I have this :

    M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
    M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
    M143 H1 S300 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
    M307 H1 B0 S1.00

    NTC-Thermistor 100 K 3950

    Thermistor Cartridge:
    Size: 1.25mmx2.0mm glass bead
    High accuracy: 1%
    Resistance value at 25°C=100K
    Wiring length: 1m / 39.3"
    Operating temperature range: -40 ° C + 300 ° C
    Rated power: 45MW
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      Veti
      last edited by 13 Dec 2020, 15:52

      yeah that is why i dont like B3950 thermistors. the reported temperature can be way off.

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        lui2004 @Veti
        last edited by 13 Dec 2020, 15:55

        @Veti so the Problem is the thermistor?

        So i will wait the New one

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          Veti
          last edited by 13 Dec 2020, 16:02

          most likely yes.

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            lui2004 @Veti
            last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 15:57

            @Veti

            i have installed the new thermistor but i can print pla with 235°C i dont now why

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              Veti @lui2004
              last edited by Veti 14 Dec 2020, 16:25

              @lui2004
              its not uncommon for the 3950 to be off by 20C

              did you change the beta and C value?

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                lui2004 @Veti
                last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:27

                @Veti

                i have installed the Semitec 104GT-2 today

                my config for this :

                M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
                M307 H1 B0 S1.00
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                  lui2004 @Veti
                  last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:34

                  @Veti

                  thats the thermistor: 104NT-4-R025H42G Semitec Thermistor 100K - NTC

                  i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

                  datasheet:

                  https://reprapworld.de/datasheets/NTCThermistor_NT-461415.pdf
                  
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                    Veti @lui2004
                    last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:36

                    @lui2004 said in After Micro swiss DD upgrade,Extruder skips steps:

                    i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

                    B and C change the algorithm to steinhart hart. its more accurate.

                    see the table

                    https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors#Section_Thermistor_parameters

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                      lui2004 @Veti
                      last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:37

                      @Veti

                      the config is also ok like that ?

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                        Veti
                        last edited by Veti 14 Dec 2020, 16:46

                        yes, but its still strange that you need 235 to print pla.

                        do you have a steel nozzle?

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                          lui2004 @Veti
                          last edited by lui2004 14 Dec 2020, 16:49

                          @Veti

                          yes, hardened steel with Micro Swiss all metal hotend

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                            Veti @lui2004
                            last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:52

                            @lui2004 ]

                            ok steel nozzle a very bad for printing pla. the thermal transfer is very low.

                            unless you are printing abrasive materials, a brass nozzle is a lot better.

                            or if you want a much better nozzle, there are copper plated nozzles
                            https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4000007458595.html

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                              lui2004 @Veti
                              last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:53

                              @Veti

                              i print only PLA and Petg

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                                Veti
                                last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:54

                                then there is no need for a steel nozzle

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                                  lui2004 @Veti
                                  last edited by lui2004 14 Dec 2020, 17:42

                                  @Veti

                                  Ok i have a cooper plated, i will change now and test it

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                                    lui2004 @Veti
                                    last edited by lui2004 15 Dec 2020, 08:06

                                    @Veti @Phaedrux

                                    I have changed the nozzle and Calibrated all, all works fine now.
                                    I can print PLA with 200°C! Thanks

                                    i have another question i have Bed compensation in use: none is this normal ? i thin it should be mesh or not ?

                                    if you need config.g or slicer start.gcode or anything else tell me i will post it

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                                      Veti @lui2004
                                      last edited by 15 Dec 2020, 08:10

                                      @lui2004

                                      for that your G29 needs to be executed after the G28 in the slicer start code

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                                        lui2004 @Veti
                                        last edited by 15 Dec 2020, 08:10

                                        @Veti

                                        my start.gcode looks like that:

                                        T0
                                        G90 ;absolute positioning
                                        M107 ;start with the fan off
                                        M83 ; extruder relative mode
                                        M104 S[first_layer_temperature] ; set extruder temp
                                        M140 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; set bed temp
                                        ; Homing & leveling
                                        G28
                                        M561 ; Clear any bed transform that might be in place
                                        G1 X73 Y106 F4000 ; Go to bed center before probing
                                        ;Wait for Temperature
                                        M109 S[first_layer_temperature] ; wait for extruder temp
                                        M190 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; wait for bed temp
                                        G30 ; Find the Z=0
                                        G29 S1 ; Load the height map from the last time I used G29 to probe the bed.
                                        G1 X5 Y10 Z0.2 F3000 ; get ready to prime
                                        G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
                                        G1 X160 E15 F600 ; prime nozzle
                                        G1 X180 F5000 ; quick wipe
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                                          Veti
                                          last edited by 15 Dec 2020, 08:11

                                          this should activate the mesh compensation

                                          do you have a heightmap it can load?

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