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    • Vetiundefined
      Veti
      last edited by

      most likely yes.

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      • lui2004undefined
        lui2004 @Veti
        last edited by

        @Veti

        i have installed the new thermistor but i can print pla with 235°C i dont now why

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        • Vetiundefined
          Veti @lui2004
          last edited by Veti

          @lui2004
          its not uncommon for the 3950 to be off by 20C

          did you change the beta and C value?

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          • lui2004undefined
            lui2004 @Veti
            last edited by

            @Veti

            i have installed the Semitec 104GT-2 today

            my config for this :

            M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
            M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                           ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
            M143 H1 S280 								   ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
            M307 H1 B0 S1.00           
            
            
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            • lui2004undefined
              lui2004 @Veti
              last edited by

              @Veti

              thats the thermistor: 104NT-4-R025H42G Semitec Thermistor 100K - NTC

              i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

              datasheet:

              https://reprapworld.de/datasheets/NTCThermistor_NT-461415.pdf
              
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              • Vetiundefined
                Veti @lui2004
                last edited by

                @lui2004 said in After Micro swiss DD upgrade,Extruder skips steps:

                i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

                B and C change the algorithm to steinhart hart. its more accurate.

                see the table

                https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors#Section_Thermistor_parameters

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                • lui2004undefined
                  lui2004 @Veti
                  last edited by

                  @Veti

                  the config is also ok like that ?

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                  • Vetiundefined
                    Veti
                    last edited by Veti

                    yes, but its still strange that you need 235 to print pla.

                    do you have a steel nozzle?

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                    • lui2004undefined
                      lui2004 @Veti
                      last edited by lui2004

                      @Veti

                      yes, hardened steel with Micro Swiss all metal hotend

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                      • Vetiundefined
                        Veti @lui2004
                        last edited by

                        @lui2004 ]

                        ok steel nozzle a very bad for printing pla. the thermal transfer is very low.

                        unless you are printing abrasive materials, a brass nozzle is a lot better.

                        or if you want a much better nozzle, there are copper plated nozzles
                        https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4000007458595.html

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                        • lui2004undefined
                          lui2004 @Veti
                          last edited by

                          @Veti

                          i print only PLA and Petg

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                          • Vetiundefined
                            Veti
                            last edited by

                            then there is no need for a steel nozzle

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                            • lui2004undefined
                              lui2004 @Veti
                              last edited by lui2004

                              @Veti

                              Ok i have a cooper plated, i will change now and test it

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                              • lui2004undefined
                                lui2004 @Veti
                                last edited by lui2004

                                @Veti @Phaedrux

                                I have changed the nozzle and Calibrated all, all works fine now.
                                I can print PLA with 200°C! Thanks

                                i have another question i have Bed compensation in use: none is this normal ? i thin it should be mesh or not ?

                                if you need config.g or slicer start.gcode or anything else tell me i will post it

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                                • Vetiundefined
                                  Veti @lui2004
                                  last edited by

                                  @lui2004

                                  for that your G29 needs to be executed after the G28 in the slicer start code

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                                  • lui2004undefined
                                    lui2004 @Veti
                                    last edited by

                                    @Veti

                                    my start.gcode looks like that:

                                    T0
                                    G90                ;absolute positioning
                                    M107              ;start with the fan off
                                    M83  	       ; extruder relative mode
                                    M104 S[first_layer_temperature] ; set extruder temp
                                    M140 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; set bed temp
                                    ; Homing & leveling
                                    G28
                                    M561 ; Clear any bed transform that might be in place		      
                                    G1 X73 Y106 F4000 ; Go to bed center before probing
                                    ;Wait for Temperature
                                    M109 S[first_layer_temperature] ; wait for extruder temp
                                    M190 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; wait for bed temp
                                    G30 ; Find the Z=0
                                    G29 S1         ; Load the height map from the last time I used G29 to probe the bed.
                                    G1 X5 Y10 Z0.2 F3000 ; get ready to prime
                                    G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
                                    G1 X160 E15 F600 ; prime nozzle
                                    G1 X180 F5000 ; quick wipe
                                    
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                                    • Vetiundefined
                                      Veti
                                      last edited by

                                      this should activate the mesh compensation

                                      do you have a heightmap it can load?

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                                      • lui2004undefined
                                        lui2004 @Veti
                                        last edited by

                                        @Veti

                                        yes of course!

                                        map.png

                                        RepRapFirmware height map file v2 generated at 2020-12-15 08:54, min error -0.019, max error 0.070, mean 0.019, deviation 0.021
                                        xmin,xmax,ymin,ymax,radius,xspacing,yspacing,xnum,ynum
                                        41.20,219.00,15.00,195.00,-1.00,20.00,20.00,9,10
                                          0.055,  0.048,  0.046,  0.056,  0.070,  0.048,  0.050,  0.068,  0.048
                                          0.030,  0.029,  0.036,  0.050,  0.070,  0.037,  0.037,  0.050,  0.024
                                          0.007,  0.005,  0.009,  0.026,  0.037,  0.007,  0.006,  0.020,  0.004
                                         -0.008, -0.001,  0.001,  0.015,  0.031,  0.001, -0.001,  0.014, -0.005
                                         -0.004, -0.014, -0.008,  0.002,  0.019, -0.010, -0.006,  0.011, -0.004
                                          0.002,  0.005,  0.004,  0.012,  0.024, -0.003,  0.005,  0.025,  0.002
                                          0.005, -0.005, -0.009, -0.006,  0.006, -0.019, -0.011,  0.015, -0.003
                                          0.021,  0.020,  0.002,  0.009,  0.030, -0.000,  0.012,  0.034,  0.017
                                          0.027,  0.014,  0.006,  0.017,  0.031,  0.006,  0.020,  0.045,  0.031
                                          0.036,  0.034,  0.019,  0.030,  0.061,  0.041,  0.039,  0.056,  0.035
                                        
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                                        • Vetiundefined
                                          Veti
                                          last edited by

                                          did you check the mesh during the print?

                                          if yes have a look at the generated g code if there is something after the G29 that would invalidate it.

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                                          • lui2004undefined
                                            lui2004 @Veti
                                            last edited by

                                            @Veti

                                            during the print it is also Bed compensation in use: none

                                            this a little part from the generated g.code:

                                            ; generated by PrusaSlicer 2.3.0-beta2+win64 on 2020-12-15 at 07:58:45 UTC
                                            
                                            ; 
                                            
                                            ; external perimeters extrusion width = 0.45mm
                                            ; perimeters extrusion width = 0.45mm
                                            ; infill extrusion width = 0.48mm
                                            ; solid infill extrusion width = 0.45mm
                                            ; top infill extrusion width = 0.40mm
                                            ; first layer extrusion width = 0.40mm
                                            
                                            M107
                                            ;TYPE:Custom
                                            T0
                                            G90                ;absolute positioning
                                            M107              ;start with the fan off
                                            M83  	       ; extruder relative mode
                                            M104 S205 ; set extruder temp
                                            M140 S55 ; set bed temp
                                            ; Homing & leveling
                                            G28
                                            M561 ; Clear any bed transform that might be in place		      
                                            G1 X73 Y106 F4000 ; Go to bed center before probing
                                            ;Wait for Temperature
                                            M109 S205 ; wait for extruder temp
                                            M190 S55 ; wait for bed temp
                                            G30 ; Find the Z=0
                                            G29 S1         ; Load the height map from the last time I used G29 to probe the bed.
                                            G1 X5 Y10 Z0.2 F3000 ; get ready to prime
                                            G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
                                            G1 X160 E15 F600 ; prime nozzle
                                            G1 X180 F5000 ; quick wipe
                                            G21 ; set units to millimeters
                                            G90 ; use absolute coordinates
                                            M83 ; use relative distances for extrusion
                                            ; Filament gcode
                                            ;LAYER_CHANGE
                                            ;Z:0.2
                                            ;HEIGHT:0.2
                                            G10 ; retract
                                            G1 Z0.200 F7800.000
                                            G1 X70.563 Y70.965
                                            G11 ; unretract
                                            ;TYPE:Skirt
                                            G1 F900.000
                                            G1 X71.065 Y70.492 E0.01957
                                            G1 X71.368 Y70.349 E0.00952
                                            G1 X71.629 Y70.293 E0.00756
                                            G1 X148.407 Y70.297 E2.17871
                                            G1 X148.632 Y70.349 E0.00657
                                            G1 X148.935 Y70.492 E0.00951
                                            G1 X149.437 Y70.965 E0.01957
                                            G1 X149.650 Y71.366 E0.01287
                                            G1 X149.707 Y71.629 E0.00764
                                            G1 X149.707 Y148.371 E2.17768
                                            G1 X149.650 Y148.634 E0.00764
                                            G1 X149.437 Y149.035 E0.01287
                                            
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