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    Veti @lui2004
    last edited by 13 Dec 2020, 15:49

    @lui2004 said in After Micro swiss DD upgrade,Extruder skips steps:

    i have remake pid tuning ,still the same i can print pla only with min. 250°C

    pid tuning does not change the reported temperature.

    this is an indication of a wrong configuration.

    which thermistor are you using at the moment and what is your config line for it?

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      lui2004 @Veti
      last edited by lui2004 13 Dec 2020, 15:50

      @Veti

      I have this :

      M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
      M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
      M143 H1 S300 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
      M307 H1 B0 S1.00

      NTC-Thermistor 100 K 3950

      Thermistor Cartridge:
      Size: 1.25mmx2.0mm glass bead
      High accuracy: 1%
      Resistance value at 25°C=100K
      Wiring length: 1m / 39.3"
      Operating temperature range: -40 ° C + 300 ° C
      Rated power: 45MW
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        Veti
        last edited by 13 Dec 2020, 15:52

        yeah that is why i dont like B3950 thermistors. the reported temperature can be way off.

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          lui2004 @Veti
          last edited by 13 Dec 2020, 15:55

          @Veti so the Problem is the thermistor?

          So i will wait the New one

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            Veti
            last edited by 13 Dec 2020, 16:02

            most likely yes.

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              lui2004 @Veti
              last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 15:57

              @Veti

              i have installed the new thermistor but i can print pla with 235°C i dont now why

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                Veti @lui2004
                last edited by Veti 14 Dec 2020, 16:25

                @lui2004
                its not uncommon for the 3950 to be off by 20C

                did you change the beta and C value?

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                  lui2004 @Veti
                  last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:27

                  @Veti

                  i have installed the Semitec 104GT-2 today

                  my config for this :

                  M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                  M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                  M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
                  M307 H1 B0 S1.00
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                    lui2004 @Veti
                    last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:34

                    @Veti

                    thats the thermistor: 104NT-4-R025H42G Semitec Thermistor 100K - NTC

                    i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

                    datasheet:

                    https://reprapworld.de/datasheets/NTCThermistor_NT-461415.pdf
                    
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                      Veti @lui2004
                      last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:36

                      @lui2004 said in After Micro swiss DD upgrade,Extruder skips steps:

                      i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

                      B and C change the algorithm to steinhart hart. its more accurate.

                      see the table

                      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors#Section_Thermistor_parameters

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                        lui2004 @Veti
                        last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:37

                        @Veti

                        the config is also ok like that ?

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                          Veti
                          last edited by Veti 14 Dec 2020, 16:46

                          yes, but its still strange that you need 235 to print pla.

                          do you have a steel nozzle?

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                            lui2004 @Veti
                            last edited by lui2004 14 Dec 2020, 16:49

                            @Veti

                            yes, hardened steel with Micro Swiss all metal hotend

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                              Veti @lui2004
                              last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:52

                              @lui2004 ]

                              ok steel nozzle a very bad for printing pla. the thermal transfer is very low.

                              unless you are printing abrasive materials, a brass nozzle is a lot better.

                              or if you want a much better nozzle, there are copper plated nozzles
                              https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4000007458595.html

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                                lui2004 @Veti
                                last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:53

                                @Veti

                                i print only PLA and Petg

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                                  Veti
                                  last edited by 14 Dec 2020, 16:54

                                  then there is no need for a steel nozzle

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                                    lui2004 @Veti
                                    last edited by lui2004 14 Dec 2020, 17:42

                                    @Veti

                                    Ok i have a cooper plated, i will change now and test it

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                                      lui2004 @Veti
                                      last edited by lui2004 15 Dec 2020, 08:06

                                      @Veti @Phaedrux

                                      I have changed the nozzle and Calibrated all, all works fine now.
                                      I can print PLA with 200°C! Thanks

                                      i have another question i have Bed compensation in use: none is this normal ? i thin it should be mesh or not ?

                                      if you need config.g or slicer start.gcode or anything else tell me i will post it

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                                        Veti @lui2004
                                        last edited by 15 Dec 2020, 08:10

                                        @lui2004

                                        for that your G29 needs to be executed after the G28 in the slicer start code

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                                          lui2004 @Veti
                                          last edited by 15 Dec 2020, 08:10

                                          @Veti

                                          my start.gcode looks like that:

                                          T0
                                          G90 ;absolute positioning
                                          M107 ;start with the fan off
                                          M83 ; extruder relative mode
                                          M104 S[first_layer_temperature] ; set extruder temp
                                          M140 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; set bed temp
                                          ; Homing & leveling
                                          G28
                                          M561 ; Clear any bed transform that might be in place
                                          G1 X73 Y106 F4000 ; Go to bed center before probing
                                          ;Wait for Temperature
                                          M109 S[first_layer_temperature] ; wait for extruder temp
                                          M190 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; wait for bed temp
                                          G30 ; Find the Z=0
                                          G29 S1 ; Load the height map from the last time I used G29 to probe the bed.
                                          G1 X5 Y10 Z0.2 F3000 ; get ready to prime
                                          G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
                                          G1 X160 E15 F600 ; prime nozzle
                                          G1 X180 F5000 ; quick wipe
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