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    • Vetiundefined
      Veti @lui2004
      last edited by Veti

      @lui2004
      its not uncommon for the 3950 to be off by 20C

      did you change the beta and C value?

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      • lui2004undefined
        lui2004 @Veti
        last edited by

        @Veti

        i have installed the Semitec 104GT-2 today

        my config for this :

        M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
        M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                           ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
        M143 H1 S280 								   ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
        M307 H1 B0 S1.00           
        
        
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        • lui2004undefined
          lui2004 @Veti
          last edited by

          @Veti

          thats the thermistor: 104NT-4-R025H42G Semitec Thermistor 100K - NTC

          i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

          datasheet:

          https://reprapworld.de/datasheets/NTCThermistor_NT-461415.pdf
          
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          • Vetiundefined
            Veti @lui2004
            last edited by

            @lui2004 said in After Micro swiss DD upgrade,Extruder skips steps:

            i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

            B and C change the algorithm to steinhart hart. its more accurate.

            see the table

            https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors#Section_Thermistor_parameters

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            • lui2004undefined
              lui2004 @Veti
              last edited by

              @Veti

              the config is also ok like that ?

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              • Vetiundefined
                Veti
                last edited by Veti

                yes, but its still strange that you need 235 to print pla.

                do you have a steel nozzle?

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                • lui2004undefined
                  lui2004 @Veti
                  last edited by lui2004

                  @Veti

                  yes, hardened steel with Micro Swiss all metal hotend

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                  • Vetiundefined
                    Veti @lui2004
                    last edited by

                    @lui2004 ]

                    ok steel nozzle a very bad for printing pla. the thermal transfer is very low.

                    unless you are printing abrasive materials, a brass nozzle is a lot better.

                    or if you want a much better nozzle, there are copper plated nozzles
                    https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4000007458595.html

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                    • lui2004undefined
                      lui2004 @Veti
                      last edited by

                      @Veti

                      i print only PLA and Petg

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                      • Vetiundefined
                        Veti
                        last edited by

                        then there is no need for a steel nozzle

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                        • lui2004undefined
                          lui2004 @Veti
                          last edited by lui2004

                          @Veti

                          Ok i have a cooper plated, i will change now and test it

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                          • lui2004undefined
                            lui2004 @Veti
                            last edited by lui2004

                            @Veti @Phaedrux

                            I have changed the nozzle and Calibrated all, all works fine now.
                            I can print PLA with 200°C! Thanks

                            i have another question i have Bed compensation in use: none is this normal ? i thin it should be mesh or not ?

                            if you need config.g or slicer start.gcode or anything else tell me i will post it

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                            • Vetiundefined
                              Veti @lui2004
                              last edited by

                              @lui2004

                              for that your G29 needs to be executed after the G28 in the slicer start code

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                              • lui2004undefined
                                lui2004 @Veti
                                last edited by

                                @Veti

                                my start.gcode looks like that:

                                T0
                                G90                ;absolute positioning
                                M107              ;start with the fan off
                                M83  	       ; extruder relative mode
                                M104 S[first_layer_temperature] ; set extruder temp
                                M140 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; set bed temp
                                ; Homing & leveling
                                G28
                                M561 ; Clear any bed transform that might be in place		      
                                G1 X73 Y106 F4000 ; Go to bed center before probing
                                ;Wait for Temperature
                                M109 S[first_layer_temperature] ; wait for extruder temp
                                M190 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; wait for bed temp
                                G30 ; Find the Z=0
                                G29 S1         ; Load the height map from the last time I used G29 to probe the bed.
                                G1 X5 Y10 Z0.2 F3000 ; get ready to prime
                                G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
                                G1 X160 E15 F600 ; prime nozzle
                                G1 X180 F5000 ; quick wipe
                                
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                                • Vetiundefined
                                  Veti
                                  last edited by

                                  this should activate the mesh compensation

                                  do you have a heightmap it can load?

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                                  • lui2004undefined
                                    lui2004 @Veti
                                    last edited by

                                    @Veti

                                    yes of course!

                                    map.png

                                    RepRapFirmware height map file v2 generated at 2020-12-15 08:54, min error -0.019, max error 0.070, mean 0.019, deviation 0.021
                                    xmin,xmax,ymin,ymax,radius,xspacing,yspacing,xnum,ynum
                                    41.20,219.00,15.00,195.00,-1.00,20.00,20.00,9,10
                                      0.055,  0.048,  0.046,  0.056,  0.070,  0.048,  0.050,  0.068,  0.048
                                      0.030,  0.029,  0.036,  0.050,  0.070,  0.037,  0.037,  0.050,  0.024
                                      0.007,  0.005,  0.009,  0.026,  0.037,  0.007,  0.006,  0.020,  0.004
                                     -0.008, -0.001,  0.001,  0.015,  0.031,  0.001, -0.001,  0.014, -0.005
                                     -0.004, -0.014, -0.008,  0.002,  0.019, -0.010, -0.006,  0.011, -0.004
                                      0.002,  0.005,  0.004,  0.012,  0.024, -0.003,  0.005,  0.025,  0.002
                                      0.005, -0.005, -0.009, -0.006,  0.006, -0.019, -0.011,  0.015, -0.003
                                      0.021,  0.020,  0.002,  0.009,  0.030, -0.000,  0.012,  0.034,  0.017
                                      0.027,  0.014,  0.006,  0.017,  0.031,  0.006,  0.020,  0.045,  0.031
                                      0.036,  0.034,  0.019,  0.030,  0.061,  0.041,  0.039,  0.056,  0.035
                                    
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                                    • Vetiundefined
                                      Veti
                                      last edited by

                                      did you check the mesh during the print?

                                      if yes have a look at the generated g code if there is something after the G29 that would invalidate it.

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                                      • lui2004undefined
                                        lui2004 @Veti
                                        last edited by

                                        @Veti

                                        during the print it is also Bed compensation in use: none

                                        this a little part from the generated g.code:

                                        ; generated by PrusaSlicer 2.3.0-beta2+win64 on 2020-12-15 at 07:58:45 UTC
                                        
                                        ; 
                                        
                                        ; external perimeters extrusion width = 0.45mm
                                        ; perimeters extrusion width = 0.45mm
                                        ; infill extrusion width = 0.48mm
                                        ; solid infill extrusion width = 0.45mm
                                        ; top infill extrusion width = 0.40mm
                                        ; first layer extrusion width = 0.40mm
                                        
                                        M107
                                        ;TYPE:Custom
                                        T0
                                        G90                ;absolute positioning
                                        M107              ;start with the fan off
                                        M83  	       ; extruder relative mode
                                        M104 S205 ; set extruder temp
                                        M140 S55 ; set bed temp
                                        ; Homing & leveling
                                        G28
                                        M561 ; Clear any bed transform that might be in place		      
                                        G1 X73 Y106 F4000 ; Go to bed center before probing
                                        ;Wait for Temperature
                                        M109 S205 ; wait for extruder temp
                                        M190 S55 ; wait for bed temp
                                        G30 ; Find the Z=0
                                        G29 S1         ; Load the height map from the last time I used G29 to probe the bed.
                                        G1 X5 Y10 Z0.2 F3000 ; get ready to prime
                                        G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
                                        G1 X160 E15 F600 ; prime nozzle
                                        G1 X180 F5000 ; quick wipe
                                        G21 ; set units to millimeters
                                        G90 ; use absolute coordinates
                                        M83 ; use relative distances for extrusion
                                        ; Filament gcode
                                        ;LAYER_CHANGE
                                        ;Z:0.2
                                        ;HEIGHT:0.2
                                        G10 ; retract
                                        G1 Z0.200 F7800.000
                                        G1 X70.563 Y70.965
                                        G11 ; unretract
                                        ;TYPE:Skirt
                                        G1 F900.000
                                        G1 X71.065 Y70.492 E0.01957
                                        G1 X71.368 Y70.349 E0.00952
                                        G1 X71.629 Y70.293 E0.00756
                                        G1 X148.407 Y70.297 E2.17871
                                        G1 X148.632 Y70.349 E0.00657
                                        G1 X148.935 Y70.492 E0.00951
                                        G1 X149.437 Y70.965 E0.01957
                                        G1 X149.650 Y71.366 E0.01287
                                        G1 X149.707 Y71.629 E0.00764
                                        G1 X149.707 Y148.371 E2.17768
                                        G1 X149.650 Y148.634 E0.00764
                                        G1 X149.437 Y149.035 E0.01287
                                        
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                                        • Vetiundefined
                                          Veti
                                          last edited by

                                          that is strange.

                                          if you issue G29 S1 in the console what does the compensation say?

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                                          • lui2004undefined
                                            lui2004 @Veti
                                            last edited by

                                            @Veti

                                            if i activeted via console i got:

                                            Bed compensation in use: mesh
                                            
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