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    • RAMundefined
      RAM @dc42
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      @Phaedrux @dc42 said in Ringing on prints:

      While printing, are the hot end and bed temperatures flat in the temperature graph displayed by DWC, or are there is oscillations?

      My heated bed is a 24v version that runs directly from the Duet 2 wifi board and when looking at the DWC as it is heating up on the graph it climbs up to the commanded temperature has a very slight deviation at the end where it overshoots by a few degrees then levels out nice and flat and both the hotend and bed stay flat whilst printing.

      I will do 2 cylinders to see what is happening as suggested later.

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      • RAMundefined
        RAM
        last edited by RAM

        This is how they look and to me they look exactly the same.
        20210213_092303.jpg

        The small cylinder is 20mm which when measured using digital calipers measured 19.85 - 19.77 when being rotated and the 40mm cylinder measured 39.59 - 39.66 so they are very similar in measured dimensions with the variations. I have done all the axis calibration and the extruder calibration before this started to happen. But does this mean I need to redo the calibrations again ? Or could this be something else that is throwing the prints out ?

        One thing I did notice when I was running this print is that it does seem to pause at the end of each layer for a moment unlike my Sidewinder X1 which is almost completely seamless with movements as it is printing.

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        • hackinistratorundefined
          hackinistrator
          last edited by

          i think your slicing settings are way off .
          what slicer are you using ?

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          • RAMundefined
            RAM @hackinistrator
            last edited by

            @hackinistrator said in Ringing on prints:

            i think your slicing settings are way off .
            what slicer are you using ?

            Simplify3D.

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            • pkosundefined
              pkos
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              I remember having similar quality issues on my hevo back in the day.
              I can't remember what exactly fixed the problem, but first thing I did was to check my belt tension and replaced my belts (I used those white reinforced belts, which was a big nono).

              Then I made sure they were tight, but not so tight you can't really push them out and more importantly - they have to be equal length (down to the tooth) and equal tension.

              Then I made sure prints were square (using a calibration slat) and finally, I made sure the extruder was calibrated and also the filament itself (things like extrusion multiplier, pressure advance, destring).

              And then, the printer started printing amazingly well 😉

              Maybe one of these hints will help you if you haven't done them yet.

              Just in case, here are the tools I used:

              https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3306430
              https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3993559

              Voron 2.4 (Duet 3 6HC + 3HC standalone), Voron SW (Duet 3 mini 5+ standalone), Voron Trident (Duet 3 mini 5+ standalone), Voron 0.1

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              • hackinistratorundefined
                hackinistrator @RAM
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                @RAM
                Can you share your factory file please

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                • RAMundefined
                  RAM @hackinistrator
                  last edited by RAM

                  @hackinistrator here is the S3D printer profile I have.
                  S3D Hypercube Profile

                  @pkos thanks for the suggestions. I cant work out what it is. I have checked the belt tensions and I am not using them reinforced white belts with metal strands as I had read that they give problems.

                  I have even gone back over the mounting points to make sure that nothing had come loose and that the idler pulleys were all freely spinning to the point I even printed new idler pulley mounts and changed them over.

                  only thing I haven't done yet on the calibration things that you mentioned is the pressure advance tuning and the calibration slat.

                  I will try the calibration Slat but I am still trying to get my head around the pressure advance tuning thing before I even attempt it.

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                  • pkosundefined
                    pkos
                    last edited by

                    Right, then first make sure you do the slat - that makes sure you are printing square.

                    Then, do extruder calibration, extrusion calibration and only once you have that - then attempt PA 🙂 If you have a direct drive, PA won't help much.

                    Voron 2.4 (Duet 3 6HC + 3HC standalone), Voron SW (Duet 3 mini 5+ standalone), Voron Trident (Duet 3 mini 5+ standalone), Voron 0.1

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                    • hackinistratorundefined
                      hackinistrator
                      last edited by hackinistrator

                      HyperCube-CoreXY.TXT

                      I slightly changed your profile , can you test it ?
                      (rename file to .fff instead of txt)
                      please print the cylinders one at a time , not both at the same time .

                      for some reason your speed is set very slow at 20mm/s , why ?
                      i changed it to 45mm/s and reduced acceleration , if you have some kind of issues . if its a problem set speed back to 20mm/s
                      other changes should not effect your printer . the profile seems very old.

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                      • RAMundefined
                        RAM @hackinistrator
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                        @hackinistrator Oh damn it exported the TPU testing profile I was setting up and not the PLA. Sorry that was my fault I didn't realise it had done that.

                        If you would prefer to look at how the PLA profile is for the printer it is here.

                        HyperCube-CoreXYPLA.txt

                        what makes you say the profile is old ?

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                        • hackinistratorundefined
                          hackinistrator
                          last edited by

                          are you using the latest s3d version ? (they didnt update in years and probably dead , but still your profile config looks like it was created before the latest version)

                          if you have time try my profile for single cylinder .

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                          • RAMundefined
                            RAM @hackinistrator
                            last edited by

                            @hackinistrator yep I am using v4.1.2 which is the latest. I am more than happy to try a different slicer even though I am not familiar with other slicers. I did used to use Cura years ago when I 1st got my Hictop in clone but ended switching over to Simplify3D as I found I was getting better prints using it.

                            I am doing the 20mm cylinder now and I will do the 40mm after to see what the difference is. So far it is looking really good. Haven't a clue what you changed but it seems to be doing the trick so far. Fingers crossed and it will have solved the issue.

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                            • RAMundefined
                              RAM @RAM
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                              @hackinistrator whatever you changed seems to have worked wonders. I will delete the other profile and run with what you have done for me.
                              20210214_081110.jpg

                              Only thing that I would like to do is try and minimise the seam line a bit more but if that is all I have to contend with I will gladly put up with that.

                              If you have any other suggestions to improve it further I would be very grateful.

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                              • Blacksheep99undefined
                                Blacksheep99
                                last edited by

                                Give Prusaslicer a go. I’ve moved to it from Cura and I’m impressed with it

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                                • hackinistratorundefined
                                  hackinistrator
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                                  i set very conservative acceleration and jerk setting in the profile i sent you (i thought you are limited to 20mm/s from your original profile) . in S3d those values are under post processing script , as this 150$ software didn't add simple acceleration and jerk settings 😠

                                  i also think you should move away from s3d as they are going nowhere it seems .
                                  for easy transition you can try ideamaker .

                                  as much as i hate S3D as a company , i still find it useful for multi process and sequential printing .other then that , prusaslicer , ideamaker and cura , all of them much better now .

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                                  • RAMundefined
                                    RAM @hackinistrator
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                                    @hackinistrator yea the original was a TPU profile I was setting up but I didn't realise I had exported that profile, I will use what you sent me as it is so much nicer and seems to have removed that pause as well at the end of each move.

                                    I will have a go using your settings but upping the printing speed to 70mms and also try prusa slicer and see how I get on with it.

                                    I know Simplify3D were meant to be releasing a v5 but I am not paying again to do the upgrade and by the looks of it, the Prusa Community for the Slicer is really powering the slicer forward.

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