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    • Phaedruxundefined
      Phaedrux Moderator @wingtip
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      @wingtip I run a 0.6 on a V6 titan aero. No problem. 10 to 12 cubic mm per sec of flow without issue. Gets me 60-70mm/s and 0.3 layer heights.

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      • wingtipundefined
        wingtip @Phaedrux
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        @phaedrux
        using your numbers i plugged them in to see what the time difference would be.. holy cow.. 300 hours to 55 lol.... but im worried about the detail ... i want to take this finished part and make a fiberglass mold... the .3 nozzle parts when printed look fine for the detail.... a .6 though i worry.. can you post some pics of some .6 nozzle prints??? Cause the print time does look wayyyy better.. Other wise im going to have to split this down to more manageable print times.

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        • Phaedruxundefined
          Phaedrux Moderator
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          If you're making a mold I doubt you'll be transferring features with 0.3mm accuracy anyway? Can you share an example of what you're trying to ultimately print?

          Examples of 0.6mm prints: https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/5282/my-custom-d-bot/2

          I chose 0.6 because it maximizes the flow rate potential of the V6 and has a good balance of speed to detail. And it's a lot easier to tune than a volcano with a larger nozzle, that's for sure.

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          • wingtipundefined
            wingtip @Phaedrux
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            @phaedrux

            https://www.flickr.com/photos/52018479@N03/sets/72157662139793862

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            • wingtipundefined
              wingtip @wingtip
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              @wingtip
              Let me rephrase that... its not so much transferring details but it makes for less filling and sanding for smooth surfaces where there are no details... there will still be the panel lines and indentations for holes to be drilled etc...

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              • Phaedruxundefined
                Phaedrux Moderator
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                Well then it would depend on where you need the resolution. A small nozzle will only help on thin features or top surface X/Y details like text or slightly sharper corners. You can still use smaller layer heights with a 0.6 nozzle and still save a lot of time. I use 0.15 as my detail layer height. 0.2 ends up looking quite good as well.

                Looking at the photos in that album I don't see much that would really benefit from a 0.3 nozzle.

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                • wingtipundefined
                  wingtip @Phaedrux
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                  @phaedrux

                  Well after looking at my stash of nozzles i had .2's, .3's, .4's, .5's, NO .6's, and had .8's. So I installed a .5 nozzle, set the layer height to .25, the speed up to 60 and thought i'd try a benchy first.

                  It wasnt long before i started noticing problems. The first thing i noticed was the increased layer height was high enough that my probe was extremely close to the print. Any boogers at all and it was catching on the probe if i didnt catch them and cut them away.

                  Once the first layer was down and the speed really kicked in i kept an eye on the nozzle temp and sure enough it was dropping. I backed the fan down without slowing the speed for now. the temp stopped dropping but wasn't climbing either but i let it keep printing... As the print got higher the probe was dragging more and more often and eventually i just stopped the print for fear of breaking it. Problem is my bl touch cant go any higher without printing a different bracket perhaps. So is there a way to adjust the probe slightly further up into the bl touch housing???

                  Otherwise the print was looking pretty impressive till it started dragging through the layers. My brain needs a rest lol.
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                  • Phaedruxundefined
                    Phaedrux Moderator
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                    That looks pretty over extruded, but maybe it's just from PETG and too little time between layers. The benchy isn't a very good analogue for what you'll actually be printing. The short layer times means the layers don't have time to cool, so you get lots of curling. Try printing 2 or 3 benchies at the same time. The increased layer time will allow the layers to solidify.

                    Or start printing your actual models that you'll eventually be printing. You'll learn a lot more from that.

                    Doesn't hurt to go through another extruder calibration either.

                    https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40#s165

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                    • wingtipundefined
                      wingtip @Phaedrux
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                      @phaedrux
                      The probe is still extremely close to the print... i really wish i could raise it more somehow.

                      Printed your extrusion test. went as low as .92 but ended up back at 1.0.

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                      Im going to bed, will jack with this more later tomorrow evening.

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                      • engikeneerundefined
                        engikeneer @wingtip
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                        @wingtip I think you must have your bltouch mounted at the wrong height... for the V3, it should be 2.3 to 4.3mm above the nozzle height. (think the V2 was ~3mm?)

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                        • wingtipundefined
                          wingtip @engikeneer
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                          @engikeneer
                          That may very well be... the bracket im using was just from thingiverse.

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                          • Phaedruxundefined
                            Phaedrux Moderator
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                            Yeah that does seem dangerously low. Time to cad up a new bracket?

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                            • wingtipundefined
                              wingtip @Phaedrux
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                              @phaedrux

                              ya i can do that i suppose. Can work on that this week I suppose.

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                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator
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                                Maybe instead of the mount being above the bltouch it could hold it from underneath like a hangar and raise it up a couple mm. Doesn't need to be much.

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                                • wingtipundefined
                                  wingtip @Phaedrux
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                                  @phaedrux
                                  "it could hold it"

                                  You lost me on that one... the bl touch can not go up any further without modification to the current bracket to make it slightly shorter.

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                                  • wingtipundefined
                                    wingtip @wingtip
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                                    @wingtip
                                    New probe bracket installed and much better clearance now. Dialing in babysteps again then i think i'll try one of my larger prints.

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                                    • wingtipundefined
                                      wingtip @wingtip
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                                      Just started a 68 hour print.. go big or go home lol... First layer goin down

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                                      • Phaedruxundefined
                                        Phaedrux Moderator
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                                        Good luck! Can't print little cubes and boats forever.

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                                        • wingtipundefined
                                          wingtip @Phaedrux
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                                          So im about 29 hours into this print and i have a slow leaky hotend (i switched to that .5 nozzle remember) that im having to remove blobs now and then so they dont come off sticking to the print. Being this is my first duet, can I use the pause function, raise the gantry, check the nozzle tightness, then just hit resume and expect it to go right back where it left off without failing the print from pausing?????

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                                          • Phaedruxundefined
                                            Phaedrux Moderator @wingtip
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                                            @wingtip said in 3d Benchy Question:

                                            can I use the pause function, raise the gantry, check the nozzle tightness, then just hit resume and expect it to go right back where it left off without failing the print from pausing?

                                            Yup. If you have powerloss recovery configured you could even turn it off and come back later. (as long as it stays stuck to the bed anyway). though keep in mind if you force it out of position when playing with the nozzle or change the effective Z height of the nozzle that might show up on the layer.

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