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    • KevinMarundefined
      KevinMar @fcwilt
      last edited by

      @fcwilt Ambient is 26-30C
      I am not getting a fault readout in the console

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      • KevinMarundefined
        KevinMar @DIY-O-Sphere
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        @diy-o-sphere No, old parameters are overwritten when a new set is generated and saved using M500

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        • fcwiltundefined
          fcwilt @KevinMar
          last edited by

          @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

          @fcwilt Ambient is 26-30C

          Wow. I gather it is hot were you live and you have no air conditioning?

          I am not getting a fault readout in the console

          You posted this where you said there was a fault.

          The tuning runs fine, but when I paste the parameters into config.g, the resulting heater activation inevitably results in a fault before the tool reaches 120C, usually around 70-100C

          Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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          • KevinMarundefined
            KevinMar
            last edited by

            I think it's faulting way too liberally. My heater and PT1000 are working, it's not like I'm experiencing thermal runaway.
            Is there a way to change the sensitivity of the faults?

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            • fcwiltundefined
              fcwilt @KevinMar
              last edited by

              @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

              I think it's faulting way too liberally. My heater and PT1000 are working, it's not like I'm experiencing thermal runaway.
              Is there a way to change the sensitivity of the faults?

              What fault are you getting?

              Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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              • KevinMarundefined
                KevinMar @fcwilt
                last edited by

                @fcwilt Well, true ambient is about 24C, but the PT1000's always read about 27C as ambient.

                The heater faults, but there is no readout in the console.

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                • fcwiltundefined
                  fcwilt @KevinMar
                  last edited by

                  @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                  @fcwilt Well, true ambient is about 24C, but the PT1000's always read about 27C as ambient.

                  The heater faults, but there is no readout in the console.

                  In what way does the heater fault?

                  Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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                  • KevinMarundefined
                    KevinMar @fcwilt
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                    @fcwilt I wish I knew!

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                    • fcwiltundefined
                      fcwilt @KevinMar
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                      @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                      @fcwilt I wish I knew!

                      What is happening that is evidence of a fault?

                      Frederick

                      Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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                      • KevinMarundefined
                        KevinMar @fcwilt
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                        @fcwilt 206b714d-0f6e-4af1-b468-c804880c2ed3-image.png

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                        • DIY-O-Sphereundefined
                          DIY-O-Sphere @KevinMar
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                          @kevinmar
                          Please post the config.g

                          (UTC+1)

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                          • KevinMarundefined
                            KevinMar @DIY-O-Sphere
                            last edited by

                            @diy-o-sphere config (1).g

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                            • fcwiltundefined
                              fcwilt @KevinMar
                              last edited by

                              @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                              @fcwilt 206b714d-0f6e-4af1-b468-c804880c2ed3-image.png

                              OK that helps.

                              All all three heaters actually active at the same time?

                              Do they all fault at the same time?

                              Can you take a screen shot of the temp graph showing the heaters as they heat up and then fault?

                              Frederick

                              Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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                              • DIY-O-Sphereundefined
                                DIY-O-Sphere @KevinMar
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                                @kevinmar
                                Your sensor settings a looking wrong...

                                Here is an example of mine
                                M308 S1 P"temp1" Y"pt1000" R2200 ; configure sensor 1 as PT1000 on pin temp1

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                                • fcwiltundefined
                                  fcwilt @KevinMar
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                                  @kevinmar

                                  Please get in the habit of copy-and-pasting your files using the </> tag.

                                  M550 P"ToolChanger" 					; Set machine name
M111 S0                              	; Debug off
M929 P"eventlog.txt" S1					; Start logging to file eventlog.txt
M555 P1									; Set RepRap output
G21										; Set dimensions to millimetres
G90										; Send absolute coordinates...
M83										; ...but relative extruder moves
M669 K1									; CoreXY mode
G4 S1  									; Wait for expansion boards to start

M569 P0.0 S1 D2							; Drive 0 direction | X
M569 P0.1 S1 D2							; Drive 1 direction | Y
M569 P0.2 S1 D2							; Drive 2 direction | Z
M569 P0.4 S0 D2							; Drive 3 direction | C 
M569 P0.5 S0 D2							; Drive 5 direction | A
M569 P20.0 S0 D2						; Drive 6 direction | T0
M569 P21.0 S0 D2						; Drive 7 direction | T1
M569 P22.0 S0 D2						; Drive 8 direction | T2
M569 P23.0 S0 D2						; Drive 9 direction | T3

M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E20.0:21.0:22.0:23.0 C4 A5					; Axis to driver mapping 

; Set axis software limits and min/max switch-triggering positions.
M208 X-35:320 Y-49:240 Z0:300 C-45:360 A0:55

M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16:16:16:16 A16 I1						; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M350 C16 I10												; Configure microstepping without interpolation

M906 X1800 Y1800 Z1000 I30									; Set motor currents (mA) and idle percent
M906 E1500:1500:1500:1500 C500  I10							; Set motor currents (mA) and idle percent A400
M203 X36000 Y36000 Z1200 C5000 E6000:6000:6000:6000 A6000	;Max speeds (mm/min)
M201 X6000 Y6000 Z400 C600 E6000:6000:6000:6000 A1200		; Max Accelerations (mm/s^2)
M566 X400 Y400 Z60 C6 E60:60:60:60 A360						; Max jerk (mm/min)

M92 X100 Y100 Z800 E386:386:386:386 C91.022 A360			; Steps/mm 

M574 X1 Y1 S3									; X / Y Endstop
M574 Z1 S1 P"nil"								; Z Endstop 
M574 C0											; Z / C No Endstop 

M558 P5 C"!io0.in" H5 A5 T6000 S0.01 K0

G31 P200 X0 Y0 Z0
M557 X10:290 Y20:180 S40						; Define mesh grid

M915 X Y S3 F0 H400 R2							; X / Y Axes
M915 A S5 F0 H200 R2							; A Stall Detection

; Temperature sensors 
M308 S0 P"0.temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 C0 A"Bed" 
M308 S1 P"20.temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex0"  
M308 S2 P"21.temp0" Y"pt1000" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex1"  
M308 S3 P"22.temp0" Y"pt1000" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex2"  
M308 S4 P"23.temp0" Y"pt1000" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex3"  

; Heaters
M950 H0 C"0.out1" T0						; Bed
M140 H0										; Bed
M950 H1 C"20.out0" T1						; Heater for extruder out tool 0
M950 H2 C"21.out0" T2						; Heater for extruder out tool 1
M950 H3 C"22.out0" T3						; Heater for extruder out tool 2
M950 H4 C"23.out0" T4						; Heater for extruder out tool 3

; Heater PID Tuning
M307 H0 R1.641 C353.300:353.300 D2.50 S1.00 V24.0 B0
M307 H1 R1.590 C336.700:89.600 D5.00 S1.00 V23.8 B0
M307 H2 R2.135 C314.200:86.000 D6.20 S1.00 V24.3 B0
M307 H3 R2.023 C364.200:86.200 D5.70 S1.00 V23.7 B0
M307 H4 R1.900 C383.000:383.000 D7.50 S1.00 V23.8 B0

;M307 H1 A849.7 C225.4 D5.9 S1.00 V24.2 B0  ; From Railcore with similar setup running V2.xx


; Max Temps
M143 H0 S225
M143 H1 S300
M143 H2 S300
M143 H3 S300
M143 H4 S300

; Fans for hot end cooling
M950 F10 C"20.out2"
M106 P10 S255 H1 T70
M950 F11 C"21.out2"
M106 P11 S255 H2 T70
M950 F12 C"22.out2"
M106 P12 S255 H3 T70
M950 F13 C"23.out2"
M106 P13 S255 H4 T70

; Fans for part cooling
M950 F0 C"20.out1"
M950 F1 C"21.out1"
M950 F2 C"22.out1"
M950 F3 C"23.out1"


M950 F7 C"^0.out9" Q600					;Wipe Servo
M106 P7 C"Wipe" 						;Wipe Servo

M302 S185 R185
M404 N1.75 D0.4

; Tool definitions
M563 P0 S"Tool0" D0 H1 F0
G10  P0 S220 R205
M563 P1 S"Tool1" D1 H2 F1
G10  P1 S220 R205
M563 P2 S"Tool2" D2 H3 F2
G10  P2 S220 R205
M563 P3 S"Tool3" D3 H4 F3
G10  P3 S220 R205

G29 S2
M98  P"/sys/Toffsets.g"					; Set tool offsets from the bed
T-1

M501									; Load config-override.g

                                  Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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                                  • KevinMarundefined
                                    KevinMar @DIY-O-Sphere
                                    last edited by

                                    @diy-o-sphere Huh, yeah that ain't right

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                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators @KevinMar
                                      last edited by dc42

                                      @kevinmar if you are running without a silicone sock on the heater block, please add a silicone sock and re-tune. Your M307 parameters suggest that the fan substantially cools the hot end, which typically means that the fan is blowing on the heater block.

                                      Also please confirm that the part cooling fan is off when you command heating and the heater faults

                                      If after re-tuning with the silicone sock on (if necessary) the heaters still fault, you can try reducing the M307 R parameter. Try a 30% reduction.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                                      • Dougal1957undefined
                                        Dougal1957
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                                        M308 S2 P"21.temp0" Y"pt1000" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex1"
                                        M308 S3 P"22.temp0" Y"pt1000" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex2"
                                        M308 S4 P"23.temp0" Y"pt1000" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex3"

                                        Not sure if these lines are wrong or not for one you have the T B C and A params not sure if they are needed or correct for a PT1000

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                                        • fcwiltundefined
                                          fcwilt @KevinMar
                                          last edited by

                                          @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                                          @diy-o-sphere Huh, yeah that ain't right

                                          You are loading config-override.g at the end of config.g

                                          Please post that file.

                                          Frederick

                                          Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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                                          • fcwiltundefined
                                            fcwilt @Dougal1957
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                                            @dougal1957 said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                                            M308 S2 P"21.temp0" Y"pt1000" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex1"
                                            M308 S3 P"22.temp0" Y"pt1000" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex2"
                                            M308 S4 P"23.temp0" Y"pt1000" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 A"Ex3"

                                            Not sure if these lines are wrong or not for one you have the T B C and A params not sure if they are needed or correct for a PT1000

                                            From the docs:

                                            Additional parameters for PT1000 sensors

                                            Rnnn Series resistor value. Leave blank to use the default for your board.
                                            Lnnn ADC low offset correction, default 0 (ignored if the hardware supports automatic ADC gain and offset calibration)
                                            Hnnn ADC high offset correction, default 0 (ignored if the hardware supports automatic ADC gain and offset calibration)

                                            Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6

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