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    wdenker
    last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 02:53

    I keep getting these spikes in my thermistor. I have verified wiring by mimicking the movements that I thought were causing this. After the print stops and I get back to temp it is a solid line again no more fluctation than .4 degrees. Any ideas on what could be causing this?
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      jens55
      last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:34

      It is a very common failure mode - seen it many times and have a thermistor on my bed that is doing this (added a new thermistor for bed sensing but still display the old sensor data)

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        wdenker @jens55
        last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:35

        @jens55 yeah this isn't a thermistor issue. All of my wiring checks out good. I actually found that my MCU temp was too high. I've got a fan on it now and it is holding strong.

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          Phaedrux Moderator
          last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:36

          How high was your MCU temp?

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            wdenker @Phaedrux
            last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:38

            @phaedrux 50c I got it down and seems to be much better.

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              wdenker @Phaedrux
              last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:39

              @phaedrux it is down to 38 now

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                Phaedrux Moderator
                last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:39

                Was your MCU temp reading calibrated?

                https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Calibrating_the_CPU_temperature

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                  wdenker @Phaedrux
                  last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:39

                  @phaedrux is that a common thing if MCU temp is too high? What's acceptable?

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                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:40

                    I've not heard of it before. It could be the MCU temp or some other component getting too hot perhaps.

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                      wdenker @Phaedrux
                      last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:50

                      @phaedrux I'm guessing other stuff got too hot. Running good now that it's cooled.

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                        jens55 @wdenker
                        last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 03:50

                        @wdenker said in Odd thermistor faults.:

                        @jens55 yeah this isn't a thermistor issue. All of my wiring checks out good. I actually found that my MCU temp was too high. I've got a fan on it now and it is holding strong.

                        As I said, it is a VERY common failure mode of thermistors. Got nothing to do with wiring although I suppose a teeny tiny portion of wiring faults could possibly present like that.
                        At 50C or whatever, has nothing to do with the MCU either!

                        It is also a very random type of failure that shows up whenever the moon aligns with Alph Centuri and you got up on the left side of the bed tat morning. .... but hey, a fan doesn't hurt but don't expect that to fix the issue.

                        I suggest you replace the thermistor to see if it fixes things.

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                          wdenker @Phaedrux
                          last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 04:55

                          @phaedrux well mcu temp helped for about an hour longer. i paused on the next blip and started back again and is solid.

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                            Phaedrux Moderator @Phaedrux
                            last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 05:02

                            @phaedrux said in Odd thermistor faults.:

                            Was your MCU temp reading calibrated?

                            https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Calibrating_the_CPU_temperature

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                              wdenker @Phaedrux
                              last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 05:09

                              @phaedrux no but my infrared thermometer shows it is accurate.

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                                wdenker
                                last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 05:33

                                @phaedrux here is after a pause and resume and MCU showing 38c and infrared confirms 38cScreenshot_20220209-223044.png

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                                  Phaedrux Moderator
                                  last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 05:34

                                  I think the MCU temp is a red herring.

                                  The graph seems more like noise or interference. Or failing thermistor.

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                                    wdenker @Phaedrux
                                    last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 05:48

                                    @phaedrux thermistor was just replaced. I can replace again and see if I still have issues I suppose.

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                                      Phaedrux Moderator
                                      last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 05:49

                                      Does any component on the board seem to be getting abnormally hot?

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                                        wdenker @Phaedrux
                                        last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 05:49

                                        @phaedrux extruder motor is.

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                                          jay_s_uk @wdenker
                                          last edited by 10 Feb 2022, 06:13

                                          @wdenker my guess is it's noise from nearby wiring such as running next to a motor cable

                                          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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