Random additional steps - interference?
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Doing a vase mode print of a flat walled cylinder could be useful here.
@jens55 Do those bands happen to correspond with direction changes? As in, those layers are going left to right, rather than right to left? Meaning perhaps backlash.
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I have swapped out the extruder, the z motors/leadscrews - no change.
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Photos showing my good printer vs bad
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What layer height is that?
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@bubblevisor said in Random additional steps - interference?:
Photos showing my good printer vs bad
What are the differences between the two machines?
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0.2mm layer height ESUN ABS with enclosure at 60degrees C.
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Only difference is the board. Good printer is Duet 2 wifi bad is duet 3 mini 5+ and other bad printer is big dipper. Both bad printers' prints look exactly the same.
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@phaedrux The stealth chop point seems potentially likely as the good printer is running RRF3.3 on Duet 2 spreadcycle and bad printer is 3.4 on big dipper TMC2209 defaulting to stealthchop with a weird speed threshold that switches to spreadcycle. This sounds like it can give rise to inconsistencies.
I'll change the M569 to enforce spreadcycle and report back. Fingers crossed.
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@phaedrux, I don't think direction of travel has any bearing here but I will check that motor pulleys are tight once the current print is finished (tonight). I am pretty sure I loctited them last time I had an issue .... which btw also was intermittent in a way as the pulley could move a bit but not easily so sometimes it moved and other times it didn't.
Great suggestion !!!
As far as 'normal' backlash, I would have expected the artifacts to be very repeatable as every layer in this model is identical to the previous layer ..... but as I said, a pulley has caused something like that before. -
I had a chance to check the motor pulley on x and y and they are tight. The same model as printed before but with considerable speed reduction (300 mm/s to 200 mm/s) produces a much better surface finish and only two small position shifts in only one axis. I left the acceleration at 15000 but am now printing again with a reduced acceleration of 10000. I still have infill and inner wall speed set at 300 mm/sec.
The only other issue I have are the zits that appear randomly. There are two kinds of zits - some are sitting on the outside of the wall and these can be scraped off with only a finger nail. There are however little bumps that are completely enclosed and I am thinking these might be caused by issues with the faster infill speed. These last bumps are not really a problem but more of an annoyance.
Anyway, I was just printing too fast. This is with a Jubilee printer and quite honestly it's a bit disappointing that I can't go faster. -
BINGO! I turned off the default stealthchop and enabled spreadcycle via M569. Completeley solved the problem.
Default Stealthchop switches back and forth between spreadcycle and stealthchop when the speed is low. This seems to create a print blemish when this happens. My advice is STICK TO SPREADCYCLE!
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@dc42 THanks for your help. You were spot on!
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Glad to help.
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@bubblevisor if you set the changeover speed to below the jerk value, then at least you get quiet motors at standstill.
Ian
TronXY X5S with Duet 3 MB6HC and Roto toolboard : Cartesian bed-slinger with Duet 3 Mini 5+ WiFi and 1LC : RRP Fisher Delta v1 with Duet 2 Maestro : Polargraph with Duet 2 WiFi
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@droftarts Yep, I see your point. Personally I am not concerned about the noise benefit over the already quiet spreadcycle. Additionally, I am astonished how the stealthchop mode so profoundly ruined the overall print quality. Given I was running the "standard, out of the box application" of it (unbeknownst to me) I would prefer that the default was not to have stealthchop enabled. Think of all the people out there who suffer stealthchop-induced bad print quality and are unaware of it.
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@bubblevisor said in Random additional steps - interference?:
I would prefer that the default was not to have stealthchop enabled.
In 3.4 onward spreadcycle is the default.
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@phaedrux Really? This is my firmware from the printer in question. "RepRapFirmware version 3.4.0beta5+1"
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@bubblevisor said in Random additional steps - interference?:
3.4.0beta5+1"
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@phaedrux Do you mean releases after 3.4.0?
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3.4 final.
