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Wort investing in Bed levelling with independent Z motors?

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    claustro
    last edited by claustro 12 Feb 2024, 12:19 2 Dec 2024, 12:09

    I have a CoreXY printer evolved from a D-Bot, equipped with three lead screws for the Z-axis.
    I'm considering converting it to use three independent lead screw motors. I already have the motors, but since I’m using a Duet 2 WiFi, I’m looking for the most cost-effective option to add an extra stepper driver.

    Recently, I bought a Bambulab P1S, and I’ve come to appreciate the convenience of greater automation in the calibration process 🙂

    Thank you all

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      droftarts administrators @claustro
      last edited by 2 Dec 2024, 13:14

      @claustro Your options are:

      • a DueX5
      • add stepper drivers as outlined in https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Motors_connecting_external
      • a third party board like the BTT-EXP-MOT connected to the CONN_LCD connector

      As to whether it's worth it, some swear by having only 1 Z motor driving 3 leadscrews, and never having to change the bed level. However, many machines now do come with three (or four) Z motors.

      Ian

      Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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        claustro @droftarts
        last edited by 2 Dec 2024, 14:26

        @droftarts thank you very much for your comprehensive answer.
        I didn't know about the BTT-EXP-MOT option, it seems a very cheap option. Does it have some problem I can incur using it?
        I could use it to drive my single extruder letting the duet drive the 3 lead screws. Will still be possible to use a panel due connected with a 4-wire connection?

        Andrea

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          droftarts administrators @claustro
          last edited by 2 Dec 2024, 15:36

          @claustro said in Wort investing in Bed levelling with independent Z motors?:

          I didn't know about the BTT-EXP-MOT option, it seems a very cheap option. Does it have some problem I can incur using it?

          You do need to buy drivers for it, not just the bare board. As far as I'm aware, it only supports two drivers when connected to CONN_LCD. @jay_s_uk may know better than me (I've never used one), and I think @oliof may have used one.

          Will still be possible to use a panel due connected with a 4-wire connection?

          Yes.

          Ian

          Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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            oliof @droftarts
            last edited by 2 Dec 2024, 16:55

            @droftarts I actually got the Duex5 from you and never gave the mot exp a chance in the end (-: And then I upgraded to a Duet 3 mini 5+ with the +2 board; only to switch in toolhead toolboards which made managing the IDEX machine so much easier ...

            <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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              jay_s_uk @claustro
              last edited by 2 Dec 2024, 17:21

              @claustro as @droftarts said, you'll need drivers for it. You'll also only be able to use them in standalone mode, so no UART/SPI. So you'll need drivers where you can set the driver current using a potentiometer

              Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                claustro @jay_s_uk
                last edited by 2 Dec 2024, 22:37

                @jay_s_uk
                thank you all ,
                Can I use a DRV8825? I have several available. Am I correct in thinking that using the expansion board for the extruder won't affect performance, even if a less capable driver is used

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                  oliof @claustro
                  last edited by 3 Dec 2024, 05:48

                  @claustro that should work.

                  <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                    dc42 administrators @claustro
                    last edited by 3 Dec 2024, 07:34

                    @claustro two caveats about using a DRV8825:

                    • It supports only x16 microstepping AFAIR. This isn't a problem if your extruder has a large steps/mm (e.g. 300 or more at x16 microstepping), however extruders with low steps/mm (e.g. 100 at x16 microstepping) benefit from using higher microstepping.
                    • Check that the DRV8825 can use 3.3V signal levels on the step, direction and enable pins.

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                      claustro @dc42
                      last edited by 3 Dec 2024, 21:39

                      @dc42 thank you for your answer helpfull as usual
                      Can you suggest me a fully compatible driver just in case?
                      Thank you
                      Andrea

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