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Changing TMC2660 into TMC2130

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    Stan
    last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 17:56

    Hey, i'm looking to upgrade my current printers motherboard into a duet (ethernet) board but id like to have the newer TMC2130 stepper drivers installed... Would it be possible to make one for me(Duet)? Or should i just buy the board and the drivers and change them out myself?

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      briskspirit @Stan
      last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:03

      @stan You won't be able to use TMC2130 with full potential (silentchop and etc) as they has different communication bus. Better look into Duet Maesto.

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        Martin1454
        last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:19

        would be better to use an external stepper driver:
        https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Using_external_stepper_motor_drivers

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          dc42 administrators
          last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:23

          What are you hoping to get from the TMC2130 that the TMC2660 doesn't provide?

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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            Stan
            last edited by Stan 10 Jan 2018, 18:25 1 Oct 2018, 18:25

            I am mostly looking into the silent/stealth chop (seen and heard it on a prusa) since my printer is installed in the office and makes a lot of noise.. @dc42

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              Stan @briskspirit
              last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:26

              @briskspirit hmmm... Okay thanks.. was worth a shot

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                brunofporto @Stan
                last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:29

                @stan If what you are looking is silence you certainly have it with the TMC2660.

                Mine I can only hear the fans and I need to rise sometimes to check (the printer is behind my computer displays) if the printer is really working 🙂

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                  Stan @brunofporto
                  last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:31

                  @brunofporto oh okay thanks man! What does the stealth chop do then? If the TMC2660 is already that silent?

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                    dc42 administrators @Stan
                    last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:32

                    @stan said in Changing TMC2660 into TMC2130:

                    I am mostly looking into the silent/stealth chop (seen and heard it on a prusa) since my printer is installed in the office and makes a lot of noise.. @dc42

                    Most users of the Duet find that the TMC2660 drivers make their motors silent or nearly silent. A few users with high inductance motors find that they need to tweak the chopper control settings to avoid noise at standstill. The interpolation to x256 microstepping is responsible for the noise reduction.

                    Stealthchop mode on the TMC2130 is reported to be useless for 3D printing because it causes problems at high speeds. Stealthchop 2 on the TMC2224 used on the Duet Maestro is better, but you still have to switch them to spread cycle at high speeds.

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                      Stan @dc42
                      last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:34

                      @dc42 okay thanks a lot man! I think i am just going to buy the ethernet then? Not really looking into tweaking a whole lot of settings 🤔

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                        dc42 administrators @Stan
                        last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:36

                        @stan said in Changing TMC2660 into TMC2130:

                        @dc42 okay thanks a lot man! I think i am just going to buy the ethernet then? Not really looking into tweaking a whole lot of settings 🤔

                        What motors do you have? If they are low-current high-inductance motors then the Maestro may be more suitable, unless you need stall detection.

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                          Stan @dc42
                          last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:40

                          @dc42 it's a dual extruder printer with 5 nema 17 steppers if i'm not mistaken

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                            dc42 administrators @Stan
                            last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:41

                            @stan said in Changing TMC2660 into TMC2130:

                            @dc42 it's a dual extruder printer with 5 nema 17 steppers if i'm not mistaken

                            OK, but do you know the specification or model number of the stepper motors?

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                              Stan @dc42
                              last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:43

                              @dc42 it's a 48mm stepper, thats all i know sorry... It's a leapfrog Creatr HS and i bought it whole.

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                                dc42 administrators @Stan
                                last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 18:49

                                @stan said in Changing TMC2660 into TMC2130:

                                @dc42 it's a 48mm stepper, thats all i know sorry... It's a leapfrog Creatr HS and i bought it whole.

                                Do the stepper motors have labels on them?

                                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                  Stan @dc42
                                  last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 19:19

                                  @dc42 no sorry 😐 they pulled off all the stickers from the motors.. i think they're just the nema 17's from most printers?

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                                    dragonn @Stan
                                    last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 19:27

                                    @stan nema 17 is only a form factor. They are many, many different motors with are nema 17.

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                                      Stan @dragonn
                                      last edited by Stan 10 Jan 2018, 19:33 1 Oct 2018, 19:33

                                      @dragonn oh ok thanks! Only info i can get atm is from their site and it says "nema 17 (48mm)"

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                                        briskspirit @Stan
                                        last edited by 1 Oct 2018, 19:45

                                        @stan Look closer, there should be a laser engraved model number maybe on the back

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                                          dc42 administrators
                                          last edited by 2 Oct 2018, 09:38

                                          If there really isn't a sticker, measure the motor length (48mm?) and the resistance of one winding. Then look at https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/nema-17-stepper-motor for a motor with the same length and similar phase resistance. That will give you a good indication of the rated current.

                                          Some printers use one type of motor on the X and Y axes and a different type for the Z axis, especially if they have two Z motors.

                                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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