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    • gnydickundefined
      gnydick
      last edited by

      I've tuned my machine using the PA calibration python generated model. I find my perfect value, and every model I print has big holes at the start/end point on the perimeters. I know the suggestion is to reduce the amount of retraction used, but I'm only retracting 1mm and it's set to only retract when crossing perimeters, so I don't think it's retracting at all ON the perimeters. 0_1547442414415_IMG_20190113_210446.jpg

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      • deckingmanundefined
        deckingman @gnydick
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        @gnydick Are those 2 points indicated in the picture the only areas where the problem exists? If the problem is as you describe, then surely it would affect the entire print. I'd be more inclined to suspect a problem with the gcode of the model itself.

        Ian
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        • garyd9undefined
          garyd9 @gnydick
          last edited by

          @gnydick If you turn off pressure advance while printing the exact same gcode file, the problem doesn't appear?

          "I'm not saying that you are wrong - I'm just trying to fit it into my real world simulated experience."

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          • Edgars Batnaundefined
            Edgars Batna
            last edited by Edgars Batna

            What PA value are you using? I found that if I don't crank the extruder jerk all the way down from 4000 to 500 with a PA value of 0.4 or higher, then during some moves there were such "Insane Extruder Step Variations" © that the steppers started losing steps and I'd get holes or overextrusion. The Python script does not test for this and most simplistic models ran fine, but as soon as curves and many small perimeters went into play it just went to hell.

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            • gnydickundefined
              gnydick @Edgars Batna
              last edited by

              @edgars-batna just .1

              I wasn't getting any sort of skipping. I have direct extrusion, so for me PA is really only about changes in speed, and not also making up for bowden latency.

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              • gnydickundefined
                gnydick @deckingman
                last edited by

                @deckingman they're all over, but my seems are not always in the same place, so I'd have to rotate the printed model to show you all of them.

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                • gnydickundefined
                  gnydick @garyd9
                  last edited by

                  @garyd9 I'll try that and let you know

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                  • gnydickundefined
                    gnydick @gnydick
                    last edited by

                    @garyd9 I tried it and they're still there. That's odd because it's only a couple mm of retraction.

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                    • garyd9undefined
                      garyd9 @gnydick
                      last edited by garyd9

                      @gnydick said in Pressure advance possibly not working correctly:

                      @garyd9 I tried it and they're still there. That's odd because it's only a couple mm of retraction.

                      If you turn off pressure advance and the problem still exists, it strongly suggests that pressure advance isn't the issue. (Are you 100% certain that pressure advance wasn't enabled? The best way to be sure is to run M572 from the gcode console while a print is running and verify that the returned value is 0.00.)

                      "I'm not saying that you are wrong - I'm just trying to fit it into my real world simulated experience."

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                      • burtoogleundefined
                        burtoogle
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                        Hi @gnydick , could you please post some gcode that has this problem. Thanks.

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                        • Wyvernundefined
                          Wyvern
                          last edited by

                          Layers look thicc, .8 nozzle?

                          Every machine I've used with a .8 or larger exhibits this issue.

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                          • gnydickundefined
                            gnydick @Wyvern
                            last edited by

                            @wyvern yes, .8 nozzle. That could be it.

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                            • Wyvernundefined
                              Wyvern @gnydick
                              last edited by

                              @gnydick I don't know how to fix it or what it is, but it shows on tight curves.
                              .6 is usable for general use, I use .8 for simple geometry parts that need to be strong.

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                              • Martin1454undefined
                                Martin1454
                                last edited by

                                @Wyvern @gnydick Mabye is it too thin walls for normal 0.8 print - Depending on the slicer, make sure to have "thin walls" or whatever it is called in your slicer to on -

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                                • gnydickundefined
                                  gnydick @Martin1454
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                                  @martin1454 thanks

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