Fan on second heater output

peterfrosta

need help for this:

https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_and_configuring_fans

"Alternatively, if you have a spare heater output and you are using firmware 2.02 or later then you can use the heater output as an additional fan output (see later). You must always use a flyback diode if you connect a brushed DC motor to a heater output."

how can I set the second heater output as Fan for the print colling fan (pwm)?

i tried to use 42W airpump. i wanted to use the normal fan1 output with external MOSFET but there is no access to the FAN1 PWM signal. - just the FAN1 Output. I could user this Output with pull-resistor and external MOSFET but the logik ist reversed.

I dont like jumping air pumps at on switching the machine

thank u in advance!

deckingman

@peterfrosta I'm not sure that I fully understand the problem but for info, it's the negative side that gets switched to provide PWM (the positive side will always be at whatever voltage the heater runs at).

A Former User

@peterfrosta said in Fan on second heater output:

how can I set the second heater output as Fan for the print colling fan (pwm)?

guessing you're still using 2.x firmware since you're asking?

dc42

@peterfrosta, if you are running firmware 2.x then you must first disable that heater using M307, then move a fan to it using the M106 A parameter. With firmware 3.x you just use M950 to create a new fan on that output.

peterfrosta

Thank for your replies.

I got not notification, so i noticing it just now.

@deckingman said in Fan on second heater output:

@peterfrosta I'm not sure that I fully understand the problem but for info, it's the negative side that gets switched to provide PWM (the positive side will always be at whatever voltage the heater runs at).

that is clear but thanks!

@bearer said in Fan on second heater output:

guessing you're still using 2.x firmware since you're asking?
@dc42 said in Fan on second heater output:
@peterfrosta, if you are running firmware 2.x then you must first disable that heater using M307, then move a fan to it using the M106 A parameter. With firmware 3.x you just use M950 to create a new fan on that output.

that's right. in the meanwhile i did update with:
https://github.com/dc42/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.0/Duet2CombinedFirmware.bin
https://github.com/dc42/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.0/DuetWiFiServer.bin

Result:
Board: Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
Firmware: RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet 3.0 (2020-01-03b3)
Duet WiFi Server Version: 1.23

But know i ran in other problems.
My Heater (Hotend and Bed) don't work anymore.

i guess i have to do a new thread at first?

@dc42 thank for this information. Actually i don't know the exact howto but i hope i will check it with the gcode references and your M950 tip.

thanks!

jay_s_uk

Add M140 H0 to your config

peterfrosta

ah mistake.. the tempsensors not the heater...

tempsens from heater is n/a.
The tempsens from the bed is -273,1 °C. Welcome in new physics xD

@jay_s_uk said in Fan on second heater output:

Add M140 H0 to your config
How would this help? Thats set a temperature for the heater?!

jay_s_uk

@peterfrosta Can you provide your latest config.g?

peterfrosta

@jay_s_uk sure.

i did not change anything after updateing or short before...
config.g

jay_s_uk

@peterfrosta

You have a lot of changes to make around your heaters, fans and zprobe code.

I would suggest using the RRF config tool to generate a new file and then modify it to match your old config.

peterfrosta

@jay_s_uk thx for tip.
it seems that Version 3 need a new V3 compatible config.
Now ihave the temp values.

Unluckily i got new problems.
When i try to home one axis (eg X) it set the x value insteadly to the lower X limit (-7mm).
If i click a second one on the X home button i set x Value to -413 and got the error msg:
"G28 X
G0/G1: insufficent axes homed"

i tried active low and active high - same result.
M574 X1 S0 P"xstop"
M574 X2 S0 P"xstop"

peterfrosta

; homex.g
; called to home the X axis
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2.1.8 on Fri Jan 17 2020 14:46:51 GMT+0100 (Mitteleuropäische Normalzeit)
G91               ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z5 F6000    ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 X-405 F2400 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
G1 X5 F6000       ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 X-405 F360  ; move slowly to X axis endstop once more (second pass)
G1 H2 Z-5 F6000   ; lower Z again
G90               ; absolute positioning

peterfrosta

; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2.1.8 on Fri Jan 17 2020 14:46:51 GMT+0100 (Mitteleuropäische Normalzeit)

; General preferences
G90                                                    ; send absolute coordinates...
M83                                                    ; ...but relative extruder moves
M550 P"Tronxy"                                         ; set printer name

M667 S1                                                ; select CoreXY mode

; Network
M552 S1                                                ; enable network
M586 P0 S1                                             ; enable HTTP
M586 P1 S1                                             ; enable FTP
M586 P2 S1                                             ; enable Telnet

; Drives
M569 P0 S1                                             ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
M569 P1 S1                                             ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
M569 P2 S1                                             ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
M569 P3 S1                                             ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3                                       ; set drive mapping
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                                ; configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X80.66 Y80.32 Z397.61 E389.00                      ; set steps per mm
M566 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z180.00 E348.00                 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X18000.00 Y18000.00 Z1980.00 E9000.00             ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z200.00 E1000.00                ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X1000 Y1000 Z1000 E1200 I35                       ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30                                                ; Set idle timeout

; Axis Limits
M208 X-8 Y-17 Z0 S1                                       ; set axis minima
M208 X400 Y360 Z390 S0                                 ; set axis maxima

; Endstops
M574 X1 S0 P"xstop"                                    ; configure active-low endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
M574 Y1 S0 P"ystop"                                    ; configure active-low endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop
M574 Z1 S2                                             ; configure Z-probe endstop for low end on Z

; Z-Probe
M558 P1 C"zprobe.in+zprobe.mod" H5 F120 T6000          ; set Z probe type to unmodulated and the dive height + speeds
G31 P500 X-30 Y5 Z1.6                                  ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M556 S50 X0 Y0 Z0                                      ; set orthogonal axis compensation parameters
M557 X52:350 Y30:350 S20                               ; define mesh grid

; Heaters
M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T102400 B4138         ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0                                  ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
M143 H0 S120                                           ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
M307 H0 B0 S1.00                                       ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
M140 H0						       ; map heated bed to heater 0

M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                                   ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
M143 H1 S280                                           ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
M307 H1 B0 S1.00                                       ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit

; Fans
M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500                                   ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
M106 P0 S0 H-1                                         ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500                                   ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
M106 P1 S1 H1 T45                                      ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on

; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 F0:1                                     ; define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                                        ; set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0                                           ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

; Custom settings
;Tappering
M376 H10			                                            ; Bettkompensation läuft über 10mm Linear aus

peterfrosta

If i understand this correctly
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/FAQ#Section_I_get_this_error_message_Error_G0_G1_insufficient_axes_homed
i have two options, both need to change the fresh created config from the WebConfigurator,hm...

Option 1:
change in the homex.g

G1 H1 X-405 F2400 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)

to

G1 S1 X-405 F2400 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)

Option 2:
add "M564 H0"
at the begin of homex.g

Am i right?

peterfrosta

ok.
Option 1 ist no option.

I got this warning and same situation about x value (set to -8mm - and no movment)

G28 X
Warning: Obsolete use of S parameter on G1 command. Use H parameter instead.
Warning: Obsolete use of S parameter on G1 command. Use H parameter instead.

peterfrosta

heating also not working

Error: Heating fault on heater 0, temperature rising much more slowly than the expected 1.8°C/sec

what's happend with this update process?

jay_s_uk

@peterfrosta
You'll need to PID tune your heaters (hotend and bed) using M303

dc42

@peterfrosta said in Fan on second heater output:

If i understand this correctly
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/FAQ#Section_I_get_this_error_message_Error_G0_G1_insufficient_axes_homed
i have two options, both need to change the fresh created config from the WebConfigurator,hm...

Option 1:
change in the homex.g
G1 H1 X-405 F2400 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
to
G1 S1 X-405 F2400 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)

That won't help. You can use either S1 or H1, but in RRF3 you will get an warning if you use S1.

Option 2:
add "M564 H0"
at the begin of homex.g

A better solution is to find the move that you are doing before the corresponding axis is homed, and add the H2 parameter to that move. Typically it is something like: G1 Z5

peterfrosta

i got run.

i was not firm with the ne config/gcode that expected from V3.
Unlucky, that the config generator does not import the most settings from my old config.

the problem with movement was the missing inverting from endstops (motor movement was also not inverted as needed).
I tried with line from old config but they doesn't work anymore.

Using new invert style for endstops and i was checking the effects.

M574 X1 S1 P"!xstop"

thanks to all