Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update
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@EricN i think you have to directly talk to formbot. Normally new betas are only released for duet Boards. I know that the formbot is based on a duet but not completly the same.
And i do not know If they reached out to @T3P3Tony to solve the 3.1.1 or 3.2 Problem
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@wolf-3d4u said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:
Hello,
i have exactly the sam problem with RRF 3.1.1 and RFF 3.2 beta1 and RFF 3.2 beta 2.
Warning: motor phase A may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 0 1
Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 0 1Do the motors move despite the warnings, or not?
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@dc42 no they don't. Could it be diff then expected sense resistors or more likely the added meta gcode is polling driver and picking up on the diff hardware ?
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@dc42
My motors spin. I am on Duet2 WifiAlmost always throws the same error during home with G28 .
Printing has been mostly successful even with error thrown, but occasional print fails right after fault. Today I lost two prints after this error and a third 200 layer print had no issue (with a few of these errors).
The cable has been changed (shielded), connector crimps have been soldered and now debating a motor change until I saw these posts. Im waiting to change motor based on outcome of this thread.
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@tommyb This thread is for people having problems with the Formbot Troodon custom RRF compatible board. Please start a new thread for your issue with the Duet Wifi.
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@dc42 is their anything I should do to try and get you more info ? I honestly am just gonna change to a genuine duet 2 or 3 but am trying to find out if duet 3 will offer any benefit. Are their plans for any features that the 3 can support cause of increased cpu and sbc like input shaping etc that the duet 2 won't be able to do ?
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@Robthide37 I would wait for the duet 3 mini to come out. Perfectly suited for Voron style printers with the 2 stepper extension, giving you exactly the 7 drivers needed for QGL, X, Y, and Extruder.
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@pixelpieper it def seems perfect it is more in line with duet 2 imo right ?
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Sorry for getting off-topic.
I consider the Formbot Troodon to be my next 3D printer. I actually have some experience with the Snapmaker 2.0. I'm looking for a machine wit x/y core, large build volume, enclosure,..
But I'm mainly looking for a machine, that is working without much tinkering.Is the Troodon that machine?
I meanwhile found out, that there is no support concerning firmware from the company. I'm not afraid of doing some guided software updates, but that's it. -
@FlyByWire said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:
But I'm mainly looking for a machine, that is working without much tinkering.
Is the Troodon that machine?
I meanwhile found out, that there is no support concerning firmware from the company. I'm not afraid of doing some guided software updates, but that's it.Given that there is currently no working firmware beyond 3.0 I don't think the troodon would be a good choice.
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the hardware nice. some thoughts on the printer.
the voron team advises against a size bigger than 350x350 for corexy because of belt problem. so the smaller version will be the better choice.
custom duet board. this could potentialy mean that you will need to replace it at some point with a duet 3 + toolboard. (or duet 3 mini 5 + addonboard). this will require a little bit of tinkering, mainly switching connector housing and re crimping a few ends. -
@Veti said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:
custom duet board. this could potentialy mean that you will need to replace it at some point with a duet 3 + toolboard. (or duet 3 mini 5 + addonboard). this will require a little bit of tinkering, mainly switching connector housing and re crimping a few ends.
Honestly I have limited knowledge of 3D printer hardware. I think I could manage some tinkering with a community in the background where there are "guides" on how-to. In case of the Troodon I have the feeling it's hard to find other users who could help a newbie. Why will I have to change the board? And, maybe silly question, but what's wrong in using FW 3.0? Is that one buggy?
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@Phaedrux said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:
Given that there is currently no working firmware beyond 3.0 I don't think the troodon would be a good choice.
What would be your choice for the given needs?
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@FlyByWire said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:
What would be your choice for the given needs?
i would email them and ask them if they are planning a version with a duet 3.
but limited 3d printer knowledge should not stop you.
i got a 3d printer kit specially so that i had to build it from the ground up and learn about it.there are some 3d printer that are tinker free, but they cost a lot of money
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@FlyByWire said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:
@Phaedrux said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:
Given that there is currently no working firmware beyond 3.0 I don't think the troodon would be a good choice.
What would be your choice for the given needs?
I think your best bet would be to create a new thread in the general discussion forum to ask your question on printer recommendations. List your budget and requirements. There are lots of good options in various price ranges.
I can't recommend the Formbot Troodon because it uses a non-standard duet implementation and doesn't offer any firmware updates. It's definitely out of our scope to offer support for it.
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@Phaedrux Do you know the safest way to install klipper ? i am wanting to go to genuine duet wifi and run klipper for input shaping . or will you be adding input shaping anytime soon to rrf?
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@PCR Thanks i have been using it for a while but my klipper printer uses input shaping which is much more robust instead of limiting accel at certain frequency it can have multiple freq and also does not alter accel profile at all so no speed loss or issues with corner rounding etc.
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@Robthide37 said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:
@Phaedrux Do you know the safest way to install klipper ? i am wanting to go to genuine duet wifi and run klipper for input shaping . or will you be adding input shaping anytime soon to rrf?
That would be a better question for a Klipper centric forum. I don't have any direct experience with Klipper.
As for input shaping, it's an interesting concept and is under investigation, but will have to wait until after RRF3 implementation has matured a bit more.
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@FlyByWire said in Formbot Troodon RRF 3.1.1 Update:
Sorry for getting off-topic.
I consider the Formbot Troodon to be my next 3D printer. I actually have some experience with the Snapmaker 2.0. I'm looking for a machine wit x/y core, large build volume, enclosure,..
But I'm mainly looking for a machine, that is working without much tinkering.Is the Troodon that machine?
I meanwhile found out, that there is no support concerning firmware from the company. I'm not afraid of doing some guided software updates, but that's it.I have many years of 3d printer experience and built my own delta printers with duet boards. I was going to build a Voron because they seem (to me) they are possibly the best corexyz design. Because of the lockdown getting all the parts looked to be challenging so I decided to get a Formbot Troodon and would (again) adapt and improve whatever I needed.
To my surprise, it worked great out of the box and I don't get the need to change anything (yet). I did try to upgrade to the latest RRF 3+ but it was too much of a hassle with reduced value, since the machine was working beautifully well with the v2.
I will change some of the hardware eventually, like using a direct drive extrusion, and possibly the board, but only if there are clear benefits which I don't see it at the moment.
