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    • Vetiundefined
      Veti @lui2004
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      @lui2004 said in After Micro swiss DD upgrade,Extruder skips steps:

      i have remake pid tuning ,still the same i can print pla only with min. 250°C

      pid tuning does not change the reported temperature.

      this is an indication of a wrong configuration.

      which thermistor are you using at the moment and what is your config line for it?

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      • lui2004undefined
        lui2004 @Veti
        last edited by lui2004

        @Veti

        I have this :

        M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
        M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                           ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
        M143 H1 S300 								   ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
        M307 H1 B0 S1.00           
        

        NTC-Thermistor 100 K 3950

        Thermistor Cartridge:
        Size: 1.25mmx2.0mm glass bead
        High accuracy: 1%
        Resistance value at 25°C=100K
        Wiring length: 1m / 39.3"
        Operating temperature range: -40 ° C + 300 ° C
        Rated power: 45MW
        
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        • Vetiundefined
          Veti
          last edited by

          yeah that is why i dont like B3950 thermistors. the reported temperature can be way off.

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          • lui2004undefined
            lui2004 @Veti
            last edited by

            @Veti so the Problem is the thermistor?

            So i will wait the New one

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti
              last edited by

              most likely yes.

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              • lui2004undefined
                lui2004 @Veti
                last edited by

                @Veti

                i have installed the new thermistor but i can print pla with 235°C i dont now why

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                • Vetiundefined
                  Veti @lui2004
                  last edited by Veti

                  @lui2004
                  its not uncommon for the 3950 to be off by 20C

                  did you change the beta and C value?

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                  • lui2004undefined
                    lui2004 @Veti
                    last edited by

                    @Veti

                    i have installed the Semitec 104GT-2 today

                    my config for this :

                    M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                    M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                           ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                    M143 H1 S280 								   ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
                    M307 H1 B0 S1.00           
                    
                    
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                    • lui2004undefined
                      lui2004 @Veti
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                      @Veti

                      thats the thermistor: 104NT-4-R025H42G Semitec Thermistor 100K - NTC

                      i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

                      datasheet:

                      https://reprapworld.de/datasheets/NTCThermistor_NT-461415.pdf
                      
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                      • Vetiundefined
                        Veti @lui2004
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                        @lui2004 said in After Micro swiss DD upgrade,Extruder skips steps:

                        i checked the datasheet and the B Value seems to be: 4267 ?

                        B and C change the algorithm to steinhart hart. its more accurate.

                        see the table

                        https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_thermistors_or_PT1000_temperature_sensors#Section_Thermistor_parameters

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                        • lui2004undefined
                          lui2004 @Veti
                          last edited by

                          @Veti

                          the config is also ok like that ?

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                          • Vetiundefined
                            Veti
                            last edited by Veti

                            yes, but its still strange that you need 235 to print pla.

                            do you have a steel nozzle?

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                            • lui2004undefined
                              lui2004 @Veti
                              last edited by lui2004

                              @Veti

                              yes, hardened steel with Micro Swiss all metal hotend

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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti @lui2004
                                last edited by

                                @lui2004 ]

                                ok steel nozzle a very bad for printing pla. the thermal transfer is very low.

                                unless you are printing abrasive materials, a brass nozzle is a lot better.

                                or if you want a much better nozzle, there are copper plated nozzles
                                https://de.aliexpress.com/item/4000007458595.html

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                                • lui2004undefined
                                  lui2004 @Veti
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                                  @Veti

                                  i print only PLA and Petg

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                                  • Vetiundefined
                                    Veti
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                                    then there is no need for a steel nozzle

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                                    • lui2004undefined
                                      lui2004 @Veti
                                      last edited by lui2004

                                      @Veti

                                      Ok i have a cooper plated, i will change now and test it

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                                      • lui2004undefined
                                        lui2004 @Veti
                                        last edited by lui2004

                                        @Veti @Phaedrux

                                        I have changed the nozzle and Calibrated all, all works fine now.
                                        I can print PLA with 200°C! Thanks

                                        i have another question i have Bed compensation in use: none is this normal ? i thin it should be mesh or not ?

                                        if you need config.g or slicer start.gcode or anything else tell me i will post it

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                                        • Vetiundefined
                                          Veti @lui2004
                                          last edited by

                                          @lui2004

                                          for that your G29 needs to be executed after the G28 in the slicer start code

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                                          • lui2004undefined
                                            lui2004 @Veti
                                            last edited by

                                            @Veti

                                            my start.gcode looks like that:

                                            T0
                                            G90                ;absolute positioning
                                            M107              ;start with the fan off
                                            M83  	       ; extruder relative mode
                                            M104 S[first_layer_temperature] ; set extruder temp
                                            M140 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; set bed temp
                                            ; Homing & leveling
                                            G28
                                            M561 ; Clear any bed transform that might be in place		      
                                            G1 X73 Y106 F4000 ; Go to bed center before probing
                                            ;Wait for Temperature
                                            M109 S[first_layer_temperature] ; wait for extruder temp
                                            M190 S[first_layer_bed_temperature] ; wait for bed temp
                                            G30 ; Find the Z=0
                                            G29 S1         ; Load the height map from the last time I used G29 to probe the bed.
                                            G1 X5 Y10 Z0.2 F3000 ; get ready to prime
                                            G92 E0 ; reset extrusion distance
                                            G1 X160 E15 F600 ; prime nozzle
                                            G1 X180 F5000 ; quick wipe
                                            
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