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Same .gcode file - two different printers - very different results

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    dc42 administrators
    last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 13:53

    Some questions for you:

    1. Is the model half the size it should be in all 3 of X, Y and Z?

    2. Are you using 1.8 or 0.9deg motors?

    3. Do the X, Y and Z jog buttons in Duet Web Control move the print head by the amounts you ask for?

    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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      Sink
      last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 13:59

      1- Only the Z axis appears different, X and Y look fine ..
      2. 1.8 deg steppers on X.Y. Z .. (Extruder is titan w/ 0.9)
      3. The jog buttons (the +/- X.Y.Z buttons?) .. I am not sure what you are asking here… They all move and in the right direction.. but I don't know whether they move the proper amount or not.. is that what you are asking? Sorry .. How do I ascertain that?

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        Sink
        last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 14:08

        https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOlWXhrREuVYjKKfoCeHcI0rezTTRutaCMDOtgl
        https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNZ7kfGQyRioLUL7DPl8z_519Mvj0YaE8px4VjG

        Sorry, photos not perfectly clear but they do show that the Z is different

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          Sink
          last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 14:12

          Is this the titan causing this wit the 0.9 motor?

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            whosrdaddy
            last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 14:16

            @Sink:

            3. The jog buttons (the +/- X.Y.Z buttons?) .. I am not sure what you are asking here… They all move and in the right direction.. but I don't know whether they move the proper amount or not.. is that what you are asking? Sorry .. How do I ascertain that?

            you can measure this using a ruler.
            Move the Z-axis for example 100mm and verify if it really moved 100mm.
            To me it seems your Z-axis steps are high, but it depends on the leadscrews you are using…

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              Dougal1957
              last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 14:16

              How is your Z Driven ie is it a screw if so what size screw is it also on your Ramps setup could you have had 1/8 microstepping set on the Z axis?

              Doug

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                Dougal1957
                last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 14:20

                @whosrdaddy:

                @Sink:

                3. The jog buttons (the +/- X.Y.Z buttons?) .. I am not sure what you are asking here… They all move and in the right direction.. but I don't know whether they move the proper amount or not.. is that what you are asking? Sorry .. How do I ascertain that?

                you can measure this using a ruler.
                Move the Z-axis for example 100mm and verify if it really moved 100mm.
                To me it seems your Z-axis steps are high, but it depends on the leadscrews you are using…

                2560 for Z would be correct for a 1.8 stepper driving the Z by a M5x0.8mm threaded rod assuming 1/16 microstepping

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                  Sink
                  last edited by 8 Jul 2017, 14:25 7 Aug 2017, 14:25

                  Z is screw driven .. no, there was no microsteppting on the Z under Ramps.. but there was some changes to the stepping for the extruder..

                  This is from the titan docs:

                  "
                  Usage
                  Firmware Calibration
                  Because Titan uses a known gearing ratio and a consistently machined drive gear, we can offer a fairly accurate steps / mm set-point. Forgot about that ..

                  Steps per Unit (Extruder) = Motor Steps * Micro-stepping * Gear Ratio / (Hobb Diameter * Pi)

                  Standard motor steps / rev = 400 for the new style motor or 200 for the old style motor (Refer to assembly steps if unsure which motor you have).
                  Standard micro-stepping = 16x
                  Gear Ratio = 3
                  Hobb Diameter (Effective) = 7.3
                  200 * 16 * 3 / (7.3 * 3.142) = 418.5
                  400 * 16 * 3 / (7.3 * 3.142) = 837 "

                  I changed that number under ramps .. Is there something similar under the RepRap configs?

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                    Sink
                    last edited by 8 Jul 2017, 14:34 7 Aug 2017, 14:30

                    There is this command in the config:

                    M92 E420:420 ; Set extruder steps per mm

                    looks like this has to change. but is this causing the problem ..

                    will update it to:

                    M92 E840:840 ; Set extruder steps per mm

                    does this seem reasonable?

                    Why not, giving it a try ..

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                      Dougal1957
                      last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 14:34

                      No that will not affect your Z AXis hight at all?

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                        Sink
                        last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 14:37

                        Probably not, but sounds like it needs to be done anyway??

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                          Sink
                          last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 14:51

                          Looks like no difference .. when done printing will try to measure the "jog" on the Z axis ..

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                            dc42 administrators
                            last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 15:04

                            What is the thread pitch on your Z axis screw? is there any gearing between the Z axis motor and the screw?

                            Alternatively, do you know what Z steps/mm you were using in the firmware for the other board?

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                              Sink
                              last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 15:04

                              Tried a jog of +100 and measured 65 mm change.. Will repeat .. Pretty much same result ..
                              Could this be a current problem to the Z steppers (2)

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                                Sink
                                last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 15:11

                                Looking to find your answers .. Have to find the old marlin code .. and of course it is not on this computer .. will be back when I have the answers .. I believe the P3 came with M5x295 screw rods if that helps ..

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                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 15:14

                                  It could be that your Z steps/mm are wrong, or your X acceleration is too high, or your Z maximum speed is too high, or the Z motor current is too low. You should be able to get all of these details except the motor current from your Marlin config file.

                                  One other possibility: if you have two Z motors and they are badly-chosen high inductance low current types, then the series connection used by the two Z motors connectors on the Duet won't work well with them, and you will need to connect them in parallel instead. Can you read the model number of the Z motors from the label?

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    Sink
                                    last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 15:26

                                    Some numbers :

                                    Steppers SL42STH40-1684A

                                    MARLIN:

                                    DefaultAxisStepsPerUnit 80,80,4000, 775 – the 4000 looks bigger than the config val

                                    Default Acceleration 3000

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                                      Sink
                                      last edited by 8 Jul 2017, 15:32 7 Aug 2017, 15:29

                                      Yup z Steps are set to 2560 .. try a change to 4000?

                                      Ratios look about right for measurements ..
                                      warmin up for a test print ..

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                                        number40fan
                                        last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 15:36

                                        If you got a 65mm change when commanding 100, then 4000 will get you close.

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                                          number40fan
                                          last edited by 7 Aug 2017, 15:37

                                          BTW, your pictures in this post and another you posted in, are not working.

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