Problems from the second layer to the 7th layer
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So, it's not a mechanical problem, because it makes the home without problems or locks. the printer has large dimensions 400x 700 mm and Nema 17 motors of 0.8 kg/cm2, if there were any blockages the motors would make noise. In fact, they move, correcting the height of the Z of the map throughout the construction of the first layer, when it is finished, it does not change height for the next one and begins to deposit plastic, thickening too much. From the third layer onwards you feel the movement of the z when changing to the next layer.
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Yes, I use CR touch to create the map and I placed the M 374-M375 and M376 without success, it looks the same
I use Baby step to get the first layer right, which looks really good. From then on it does another three layers without going down, from the fourth down it goes down normally. -
@carlinicompetizione I can hardly imagine that the machine would ignore some Z motion commands and then suddenly respect them again. Maybe share the start of a gcode file up to the layer where things work again?
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I will place a dial indicator on the table and activate the fan on the third layer to check if there is a change in the Z height
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I've read a forum where this happens, but I lost the link and I can't find anything about it, it gave some instructions to read. If I barely remember, the problem was related to a conflict with self-leveling that removed the first layers from the first.
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In the settings made on the board, there is something wrong or something that could be improved or something that is missing. I know about jerk accelerations to some instruction that is missing for the automatic height adjustment in Z with the CR touch.
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@carlinicompetizione have you tried reducing the Z speed and acceleration limits in the M203 and M201 commands? Your Z acceleration value in particular looks high to me.
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I use Baby step to get the first layer right, which looks really good.
How much do you need to babystep to get the first layer looking good?
Can you post the first 100-200 lines of a Gcode file that causes this problem? Or upload a whole Gcode file somewhere so we can take a look? It's possible the slicer is inserting speed/acceleration/jerk settings that are overriding those set in config.g.
Some errors in your config.g:
; Aguarde um momento para que as placas de expansão CAN iniciem o G4 S2 Remove the
ofrom the beginning of the line.M566 X500,00 Y500,00 Z300,00 E1200,00 ; definir alterações instantâneas máximas de velocidade (mm/min) Do not use commas for decimal point. Use decimal point:
.;M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; definir mínimos do eixo You have commented out the M208 minimum, but X0 Y0 Z0 is the default.
Check your config.g is valid by sending
M98 P"config.g", and check the response in the console. If there are any errors, please post the response in your reply.Ian
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@droftarts said in Problems from the second layer to the 7th layer:
M98 P"config.g"
Hello, Ian
I did the request and here is the answerM98 P"config.g"HTTP is enabled on port 80
FTP is enabled on port 21
TELNET is disabled
Height map saved to file 0:/sys/heightmap.csv
Error: Failed to load height map from file 0:/sys/heightmap.csv: invalid grid -
400 lines Gcode with problem
G-Code generated by Simplify3D(R) Version 5.1.2 ; Jun 20, 2024 at 10:52:46 PM ; Settings Summary ; processName,PLA ; autoConfigureMaterial,PLA ; autoConfigureQualidade,High ; targetModels,suporte encoder Honda k20 ; profileName,Projeto Uno ; profileVersion,2024-05-08 17:07:31 ; app,S3D-Software 5.1.2 ; technology,fff ; baseProfile,Default ; extruder,Extruder 1 ; toolheadNumber,0 ; nozzleDiameter,0.80000 ; extrusionMultiplier,0.55000 ; extrusionWidthMode,manual ; extrusionWidth,0.62000 ; useRetraction,1 ; retractDistance,6.50000 ; extraRestartDistance,0.20000 ; retractVerticalLift,0.00000 ; retractSpeed,600.00000 ; useCoasting,1 ; coastingDistance,2.10000 ; useWiping,1 ; wipingDistance,6.00000 ; speedMaxFlowRate,900.00000 ; toolheadOffsetX,0.00000 ; toolheadOffsetY,0.00000 ; filamentDiameter,1.75000 ; filamentPricePerKilogram,46.00000 ; filamentDensity,1.25000 ; primaryExtruder,Extruder 1 ; layerHeight,0.20000 ; topSolidLayers,7 ; bottomSolidLayers,1 ; outlinePerimeters,5 ; useVaseMode,0 ; useAdaptiveLayerHeights,0 ; minAdaptiveLayerHeight,0.10000 ; maxAdaptiveLayerHeight,0.40000 ; adaptiveSmoothingLevel,5 ; horizontalOuterCompensation,0.00000 ; horizontalInnerCompensation,0.00000 ; firstLayerUnits,percentage ; firstLayerHeightPercentage,117 ; firstLayerWidthPercentage,100 ; firstLayerSpeedPercentage,80 ; firstLayerHeightAbsolute,0.30000 ; firstLayerWidthAbsolute,0.40000 ; firstLayerSpeedAbsolute,900.00000 ; startPointStrategy,closest ; alignStartPointsX,0.00000 ; alignStartPointsY,0.00000 ; restrictStartPoints,0 ; perimeterPrintingOrder,inside_out ; islandPrintingOrder,closest ; printInfillBeforePerimeters,0 ; useSkirt,1 ; skirtExtruder,Extruder 1 ; skirtLayers,1 ; skirtOffset,0.00000 ; skirtOutlines,15 ; useRaft,0 ; raftExtruder,Extruder 1 ; raftBaseLayers,2 ; raftTopLayers,3 ; raftOffset,3.00000 ; raftSeparationDistance,0.14000 ; raftSpeedUnits,percentage ; raftSpeedPercentage,30 ; raftSpeedAbsolute,600.00000 ; usePrimePillar,0 ; primePillarExtruder,All Extruders ; primePillarWidth,12.00000 ; 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@carlinicompetizione said in Problems from the second layer to the 7th layer:
Height map saved to file 0:/sys/heightmap.csv
Error: Failed to load height map from file 0:/sys/heightmap.csv: invalid gridThese errors would be reported by running G29 S3 then G29 S1. I can't see any G29 commands in the config.g you posted earlier, unless you have changed it. You have M501, which runs config_override.g. Can you post that?
In the Gcode output, you are using absolute mode for extrusion; we recommend relative mode (M83)
M82
Also, this line is wrong for RepRapFirmware. This is a Marlin command.
G29 V4 T ; AUTO NIVELAMENTO
I can't see anything else obviously wrong with the Gcode file. It should not changing the motor settings in config.g. It does have some Z movements at maximum speed, so you should try moving the bed at these speeds; try sending the following:
G1 Z25 F8000 G1 Z5 F8000 G1 Z25 F8000 G1 Z5 F8000 Can you post the whole Gcode file? Add ".txt" to the end of the file name, and you should be able to upload it to the forum.
Ian
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Ian, thank you very much for the guidance, I did as you suggested,
The M208 is actually deactivated, I activated it. The Z tests with perfect F8000 drops 25 5 without any problems! When I send the command G29 S3 and G29 S1 there is an error reading the map and I cannot load it. I'm going to change the CURA configuration to RRPP even today it is with Marlin, but in config.g the command is as M83. -
It may be that the Map is not loading, I need to add some command to the config. g to load and activate the created map?
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@carlinicompetizione
Check the grid spacing in M557 that doesn't make sense to me.
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@carlinicompetizione said in Problems from the second layer to the 7th layer:
I need to add some command to the config. g to load and activate the created map?
There are several ways to do this.
I have added it to my homing routine.
But it also works at the end of the config.g. However, you must definitely call G29 before printing.
There are also several options for G29. I only load the saved map.
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@carlinicompetizione No, you certainly shouldn't save the map in config.g, as no map is in use; I'm not exactly sure what this does, but most likely creates a blank map, hence the 'invalid grid' error.
Also, you shouldn't load a map during config.g, because you have not homed the Z axis to set the Z datum point.I've just remembered you mentioned putting M374 and M375 in config.g, please remove these. They are synonymous with G29 S3 then G29 S1. M376 is okay.
You should home Z, then load the map or run the mesh bed scan, then home Z again. That will give the most reliable results from a saved mesh. You can do this in homez.g, homeall.g, in the start.g of the slicer, or create the file sys/mesh.g, which is run when G29 is sent. See https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Reference/Gcodes#g29-mesh-bed-probe and https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Z_probe_mesh_bed
But I don't think this is related to the problem of your machine not moving for the second layer, though you could try a test without mesh bed levelling enabled.
Ian
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Having activated the M208 seems to have solved the problem, but it is still not going down, do the first one each, and remain in the same Z, it only starts to change from the 4th layer that starts to go down the Z, the second and the third it prints even Z then there is that excess plastic, the interesting thing is that the display shows the value of X,Y, Z, when the extruder moves in the map, this does not show, it is only from the 4th layer that it starts to descend, for example, it starts printing at Z=2 9 this value is the baby step. finishes the first layer and goes to the second and it doesn't change, it stays at Z=2, finishes the second layer and goes to the third and Z=2 continues. When the 4th layer begins, Z = 2.4 because I established a layer height of 0.4 mm in Simplify 3D. in fact it should be at Z=3.6. the extruder starts hitting the print.
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@oliof said in Problems from the second layer to the 7th layer:
@carlinicompetizione A raspberry pi does not help here. There is some chance that this is not a software, but a hardware issue, i.e. the mechanism raising the nozzle (or lowering the bed) may be binding until it overcomes the early layers.
You could try commanding the printer without issuing a full print, doing moves with the G0 and G1 commands after homing, to see how things behave.
I would like to know if there is a possible solution to this problem that the system has that disregards the first layers?, the printer is industrial, and I have already spent too much time making it work with this Duet 3D 6HC card. I really need a solution, otherwise I have to change my motherboard to another brand that is less problematic and can print without so much hassle.
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@carlinicompetizione If we knew the answer to this issue, we would have told you already! We have to find out the information to try and solve it from you, so any information you can give us helps.
it starts printing at Z=2 9 this value is the baby step
I think you're saying that you are using 2mm of baby stepping. I'd guess this is the issue, and it's probably because you have not set the Z probe Z offset correctly. Baby stepping usually only needs to be a small adjustment, maybe +/- half a layer height. Much more than that, yes, odd things are likely to happen.
Please set the Z probe Z offset again. Currently the X and Y offsets are set to 0 as well, so set them to. You're using a BLTouch I think, so there should definitely be an X, Y and Z offset. Your current probe offset is:
G31 P500 Y0; definir valor de disparo da sonda Z, deslocamento e altura de disparo G31 P500 X0 Z0.85 ; definir valor de disparo da sonda Z, deslocamento e altura de disparo You can put this on one like together, like this:
G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z0.85 ; definir valor de disparo da sonda Z, deslocamento e altura de disparo For setting Z probe X, Y and Z offset, see https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Z_probe_testing
Ian
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I believe we have discovered the problem. I started to slow down
changing microsteps from 16 to 8 and Z began to move as programmed in the slicer. Without being satisfied with the result, I went back to 16 microsteps and lowered the instantaneous on Z by approximately 30%. Then I managed to print a piece with a higher quality than what I had until then. Even so, the first to second layer is not respecting the programmed distance.
EX: the first layer starts at Z=0.40mm (this height is correct according to the baby step, also from 0.40mm or less. In the slicer, a layer height of 0.3mm was determined, so the second layer would start with Z=0.7mm , but it was only for 0.51mm, so I did a manual intervention just to understand if the next layers would maintain this flaw (I paused the printing and lowered the table manually to complete the 0.19 mm) when the second layer was finished and the third started. the value was already correct Z=0.81 mm. It seems to me like a bug in the firmware, it doesn't make sense to do that.
