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    • duttiundefined
      dutti @theruttmeister
      last edited by

      @dc42
      It's a 220v heater.
      Thanks for the video link.
      I think @theruttmeister
      thanks a lot
      It's working but heating up needs a lot of time. How can I change this?
      23 to 60 degree needs 10 or more minutes
      Thanks

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      • theruttmeisterundefined
        theruttmeister @dutti
        last edited by

        @barbarossa-cologne

        If you haven't already, insulate the back of the heater. That can make a huge difference.

        All the other options are lots more difficult: More powerful heater (needs a non-standard wall socket, unless you have a 16A or 32A Ceeform?), smaller bed (that 85x85cm is huge). Thinner bed... which given the size might well warp.

        Best bet is insulation, if you don't have any right now, half the heater output is heating the air.

        Isolate, substitute, verify.

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        • jens55undefined
          jens55
          last edited by

          Do you have the means to measure voltage and current ?
          The time required for heatup doesn't make sense if everything is hooked up correctly.

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          • Phaedruxundefined
            Phaedrux Moderator @dutti
            last edited by

            @barbarossa-cologne said in Heated bed 2500 Watt + Duet3 6hc:

            It's working but heating up needs a lot of time. How can I change this?
            23 to 60 degree needs 10 or more minutes

            Have you PID tuned the heaters and saved the results?
            https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Tuning_the_heater_temperature_control

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            • duttiundefined
              dutti
              last edited by dutti

              @Phaedrux
              I started 3D print 3 months ago. So I´m sorry when I don´t understand some code etc.
              Is this picture helpful?
              thanks for all

              PID.jpeg

              I have to say that this morning it was heating up a bit faster. I disconnected other things from the socket. But it is still slow.... SSR isn´t warm.
              the house is about 70 years old... maybe it is not enough power on the socket??

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              • jens55undefined
                jens55
                last edited by

                Ahhhhh .... the guilty party is the PWM setting. You have set the heat pad to effectively be 250W!
                Calibration voltage 0.0V ???

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                • duttiundefined
                  dutti @jens55
                  last edited by

                  @jens55
                  Ok. Do you mean 2500 watt?
                  How can I change this parameters ?

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                  • jens55undefined
                    jens55
                    last edited by jens55

                    Remove the portion of your M307 command in config.g that says "S0.1"
                    Run heater tuning again.
                    The way you have things configured at the moment is that your heat pad is effectively 250W!

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                    • duttiundefined
                      dutti @jens55
                      last edited by

                      @jens55
                      ok I understand.... with S1 or S0.5 its heating much fast,but it comes to a fault. ``temperatur rising much slowly than expected. 1.3.C /sec. (with S0.5 its 0.7c/ sec.)

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                      • jens55undefined
                        jens55
                        last edited by

                        Default is S1 so just remove the portion that specifies 'S' or replace it with S1.0. You will want full power.
                        You need to run heater tuning again in order to get rid of the warning message. You probably will see a message talking about being over - powered but that is expected. You need to understand what that means nad be aware of it but it's not a show stopper.

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                        • jens55undefined
                          jens55
                          last edited by jens55

                          What is the command you give to start the tune ?

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                          • Stephen6309undefined
                            Stephen6309 @jens55
                            last edited by Stephen6309

                            https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M303_Run_heater_tuning

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                            • duttiundefined
                              dutti @jens55
                              last edited by

                              @jens55
                              With S.1 or nothing in the config.g the always comes to a warning:
                              ``temperatur rising much slowly than expected. 1.3.C /sec"

                              I mean I can skip the warning and start again. A few times and it's hot enough. So there are 2 options.

                              S0.1 = heating slow BUT NO warning ``temperatur rising much slowly than expected. 1.3.C /sec"

                              S1.0 or nothing: temperature rising fast but it comes to the warning:
                              ``temperatur rising much slowly than expected. 1.3.C /sec"

                              I use the button in the web control. I mean I used the configuration tool to setup heater etc.

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                              • jens55undefined
                                jens55
                                last edited by

                                It is of course up to you if you use S0.1 or S1.0, you need to decide while keeping in mind the speed of warmup (and maximum temperature).
                                Forget about the warning message for now!

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                                • jens55undefined
                                  jens55
                                  last edited by

                                  It's been a while since I have done tuning so maybe someone else can chime in to give you details about how to get rid of the warning message.
                                  Also, if the warning message results in the heater stopping to heat, then there is a problem. Again, I am not the right person to help out with that.

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                                  • duttiundefined
                                    dutti @jens55
                                    last edited by

                                    @jens55
                                    Ok.. but why does it come to a warning when it is faster? The warning tells its rising to slow..
                                    Why does it care about it? Haha
                                    Can I skip this warning forever or change the value for " it's to slow"?
                                    THANKS

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                                    • duttiundefined
                                      dutti @jens55
                                      last edited by

                                      @jens55
                                      No worries. You already helped me. Thank you!!!!

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                                      • jens55undefined
                                        jens55
                                        last edited by

                                        The system tries to guess what it should see in the temperature rise. If it sees something that it thinks is out of the norm, it tells you about it. There are numerous parameters than can be tweaked from the 'standard' tuning and modifying them would alter the way that Duet thinks what is or isn't normal.
                                        As long as the system doesn't throw a hard error, you can disregard the error and just keep it in the back of your mind.
                                        A hard error is one where the system stops heating because it thinks there is something seriously wrong.

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                                        • duttiundefined
                                          dutti @Stephen6309
                                          last edited by dutti

                                          @Stephen6309
                                          M303: Run heater tuning
                                          Parameters

                                          Hnnn heater number
                                          Pnnn PWM to use, 0 to 1 (you should normally use 1 i.e. full power), default 1
                                          Snnn target temperature
                                          Examples

                                          M303 H1 P0.4 S240 ; tune heater 1 using 40% PWM, target temperature 240C

                                          I made this with my date and it was fixed. Thank

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                                          • jens55undefined
                                            jens55
                                            last edited by

                                            What you just posted is tuning for a nozzle heater.
                                            Again, just leave out the parameter that sets PWM (P) unless you know what you are doing.
                                            You should be running M303 H0 S60 or something in that area.

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