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    Touchthebitum @A Former User
    last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 13:33

    @bearer said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

    @Touchthebitum said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

    I forgot to mention that the error message is present without the motors plugged ...

    that would unfortunately indicate the drivers/mosfets are damaged

    Tha would explain why I'm loocking for a solution since 2 days ....

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      StevePS3
      last edited by StevePS3 27 Jul 2020, 13:59

      Are you using an Hemera hotend? If so then they have some really weird wiring with the last two pins swapped. So Black - Red - GREEN - BLUE.

      I've just read your second comment. If it happens with no stepper plugged in then this hints at you've blown your board.

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        Touchthebitum @StevePS3
        last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 14:00

        @StevePS3 No, I'm at the beginning building process 😞

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          A Former User @StevePS3
          last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 14:01

          @StevePS3 said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

          If so then they have some really weird wiring with the last two pins swapped

          there isn't really any standard to follow, so it can't really be weird. the guide will work regardless of colours.

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            Touchthebitum @A Former User
            last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 14:03

            @bearer said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

            @StevePS3 said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

            If so then they have some really weird wiring with the last two pins swapped

            there isn't really any standard to follow, so it can't really be weird. the guide will work regardless of colours.

            I tested phases and continuity in wires and pairs are correct.

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              StevePS3 @A Former User
              last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 14:05

              @bearer
              Is there not? OK, Every other stepper I've ever used (not that many) has always been B-G-R-B.

              In that case ignore me 🙂

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                A Former User @Touchthebitum
                last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 14:05

                @Touchthebitum said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

                I don't know whhat to do because I tried to swapped wires many times.

                one wrong combination where you let one side of the h bridge drive against the other is enough to cause this issue.

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                  Touchthebitum @A Former User
                  last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 14:06

                  @bearer said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

                  @Touchthebitum said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

                  I don't know whhat to do because I tried to swapped wires many times.

                  one wrong combination where you let one side of the h bridge drive against the other is enough to cause this issue.

                  On every drivers and without plugged motors ?

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                    A Former User @Touchthebitum
                    last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 14:07

                    @Touchthebitum said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

                    On every drivers and without plugged motors ?

                    driver 5 and 6 are okay arent they? and yes, the error will persist after unplugging the motor if you got the "correct" wrong combination.

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                      Touchthebitum @A Former User
                      last edited by Touchthebitum 27 Jul 2020, 14:10

                      @bearer said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

                      @Touchthebitum said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

                      On every drivers and without plugged motors ?

                      driver 5 and 6 are okay arent they? and yes, the error will persist after unplugging the motor if you got the "correct" wrong combination.

                      I didn't test the 5 and 6 drivers yet. I reflashed and erase everything to test again but always the same message.
                      With my Duet2 wifi, it worked before

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                        A Former User
                        last edited by A Former User 27 Jul 2020, 14:16

                        I think we can leave it at drivers 0-3 are damaged, and Duet people will determine the cause and potential remedy.

                        (edit: 👇 shop will tell you to get Duet people to determine the cause, on this fourm)

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                          Touchthebitum @A Former User
                          last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 14:17

                          @bearer said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

                          I think we can leave it at drivers 0-3 are damaged, and Duet people will determine the cause and potential remedy.

                          Ok I contacted the shop and see what we can do .
                          Thanks for your help

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                            dc42 administrators @Touchthebitum
                            last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 17:10

                            @Touchthebitum said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

                            I don't know whhat to do because I tried to swapped wires many times.

                            Unfortunately, swapping stepper motor wires over so that they are no longer wired with one phase to each end of the connector is a recipe for blowing drivers. This is because the driver cannot control the output current when they are mis-wired in this way. Sometimes they survive, sometimes they don't - it depends on the VIN voltage and the type of motor.

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                              Touchthebitum @dc42
                              last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 17:23

                              @dc42 ok I understand but the problem was present at the first plug and I used the same working wiring than my working Duet2. And the message was telling that the driver 1 was short - ground and I had never plugged anything on the socket.
                              I repeat, I swapped the wires because it didn't work with the same wiring as my Duet2.

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                                Phaedrux Moderator @Touchthebitum
                                last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 18:07

                                @Touchthebitum said in Short to ground on drivers 0123:

                                I forgot to mention that the error message is present without the motors plugged ...
                                It is the Duet3 V1.01

                                Here is a photo of the plug. I tested the phase before plugging it.

                                Tape is provisory.

                                driver 0.jpg

                                What role does the tape play there? Is it possible the crimp was bad from the start and making a bad connection?

                                Were you getting the error before plugging anything in or only after?

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                                  Touchthebitum @Phaedrux
                                  last edited by Touchthebitum 27 Jul 2020, 18:11

                                  @Phaedrux Tape is only a protection to avoid shorts contact. Contacts were good since I made continuity tests and resistance tests and I always had signal.

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                                    Phaedrux Moderator
                                    last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 18:34

                                    Were there any other error messages along with the short to ground errors?

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                                      Touchthebitum @Phaedrux
                                      last edited by Touchthebitum 27 Jul 2020, 18:39

                                      @Phaedrux No, M122 had not error messages. Only those ground-short messages

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                                        Phaedrux Moderator
                                        last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 18:52

                                        When are where was the Duet 3 purchased?

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                                          Touchthebitum @Phaedrux
                                          last edited by Touchthebitum 27 Jul 2020, 18:55

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