External 5V source through duet3?
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I am going to add a 5V 10A power supply to the duet3/sbc setup to check that the duet3s 5v rail is not the source of my current issues with the SBC randomly stopping to run.
Is it possible to feed this directly into the duet3 so I can continue powering the RPi through the duet3 board? Or should I power the RPi directly with the external PSU and set the duet3 to pull 5V from the RPi? Or just leave them separate concerns?
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just power the rpi separately, if the duet3 is already powered via 12-36v you don't need to send the 5v back from the rpi to the duet.
I haven't looked into it, but I'd think you need a common ground for the main vin and the rpi 5v. I bet either the forum or the wiki have the answer to that.
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If you power the pi directly you can presumably tune the 5v output to give you 5.2(5)v at the Pi, if you go through the Duet with an external supply you'll need to compensate for a diode and that might push the 5v on the Duet over the comfort limit for other 5v consumers?
The issue is usually voltage and not current when the pi complains, as the low power warning is specifically tied to 4.65v (iirc) regardless of available current. So having the input at the Pi at the high end of the USB spec gives you more head room for voltage drop with varying load - thats my approach to it at least.
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The Duet can handle 5.2V on the 5v rail. The maximum continuous allowed is 5.5V.
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I planned on going to 5.1v like the official RPi power supplies, but 5.2 should give me a bit of headroom. I'll likely power the rpi directly.
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Yeah, I'd push it to the max, the 4B gives warnings even with the official Pi USB C supply when loaded but 5.25v when idle at the 5V pins makes it happy shiny. (Or you could just ignore the warning and disable the throtthling if you don't use hdmi or usb 5v out)
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@oliof see the tail end of this thread for how we achieved this.. but now David has me wondering if I should reduce it to 5.2v instead of ~5.33v.
https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/18725/how-big-a-5v-power-supply-needed-for-duet-3-and-rpi4
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@oozeBot thanks for the link! Can you provide a schematic drawing of the full SSR circuit? Is it to switch the 24PSU for VIN which is not in the picture?
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@oliof Yes, the SSR toggles the 24v power supply (which is not in the photo). I'll see how soon I can whip up the schematics, but briefly, the positive SSR terminal is wired to the positive terminal on the 5v power supply. Ground is wired to PSON (between +5v and GRD in the EXT 5V header). It is toggled by gCode M80.
Check out the power toggle script we are using here:
https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/18848/duet-3-rpi-power-toggle-script
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Awesome, thanks! This will likely make the effort worth adding the extra PSU.
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With a MeanWell LRS-50-5 powering the Duet board at 5.25V, and the Duet board powering a Raspberry Pi 3B+, I still get undervoltage alerts from the Raspberry Pi. the voltage at the ribbon end plugging into the Pi is 5.17v.
Since the ribbon cable blocks the power pins I could use for direct powering of the Pi, does this mean I am stuck with using the Micro USB port to power the Pi? Or could I modify my ribbon cable (disconnecting the 5V wires from the Duet3, and splicing in the external PSU there)?
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@oliof you could always solder to the underside of the pi near the USB cable to inject 5v. That's what I do
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@jay_s_uk thanks for the suggestion! I'll think about it. Of course, now after having acquired and built the external PSU, and not getting any good results from it, powering from the duet3 seems to work again. Maybe disconnecting all the things for measuring voltages and reconnecting them helped with surfaces mating better ... it's too early to call this solved, but I will give it another test print.
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Might be easier to solder to the 5V pins on the GPIO header if you go that route.
You could just add a IDC connector to the ribbon cable and T off that; or I opted for making a custom ribbon cable that extends past the Pi to the PSU in an earlier iteration.
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There is some additional protection (and possibly conditioning?) if you supply 5V via the USB connector though.
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Hm, 3b+ still has a PTC 4b does not. Have 0 faith the pmic won't pack it before the the PTC so don't think I'd care and it's unlikely to help with voltage drops in the first place.
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I was thinking more about the DMG2305UX and associated circuitry on the 3B+ but that all seems to be gone on the 4. I powered my Pi 4 directly via the GPIO pins, but I did have a lot of low voltage events. I suspect that was the dodgy buck converter I was using as much as anything though.
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Can't say I saw much but the fuse?
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/rpi_SCH_3bplus_1p0_reduced.pdf -
@bearer Take a look at the rev1.2 version...
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/rpi_SCH_1bplus_1p2_reduced.pdf -
Google-fail; but still not seeing the value if not using the micro USB port you don't need to prevent back feeding 5V to USB and if one need reverse polarity protection then I guess one might already be in dangerous waters.
