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    • shattyundefined
      shatty @Phaedrux
      last edited by

      @Phaedrux said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

      Have you ever powered on the board with USB or anything yet?
      Yes

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      • shattyundefined
        shatty @Veti
        last edited by

        @Veti
        https://www.amazon.com/Aibecy-Creality-Stepping-Accessory-Replacement/dp/B07MVTFL3R/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=creality+stepper+motor&qid=1605337045&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzUjk2ME9MS0RHTTZJJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTk3MDI4MlRHWlVWQks3QU9ESyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjcyNDU0WjhHMEo4NEtaM1JVJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

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        • shattyundefined
          shatty @Veti
          last edited by shatty

          @Veti said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

          @shatty said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

          M558 P9 C"^!zprobe.in" H5 F120 T6000 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds

          zprobe in does not normally need to be inverted for the bltouch.

          G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z2.5 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height

          the offset x and y is missing

          M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin
          M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp

          Then Beta value is incorrect, try the beta value from the guide, as creality tends to use the same thermistors

          M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
          M106 P0 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
          M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
          M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on

          you configured both fans to be Thermostatic controled. this way you have no part cooling fan that can be controlled.

          also add a T0 to the end of your config.

          M906 X800 Y800 Z800 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent

          do you have the motor specs for the ender 5 plus?
          but you could test these values and check the motor temperature by hand during printing.
          you might want to increase E800 to E900 as in the guide

          M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E130.00 ; set steps per mm

          checking the marlin example config for the ender 5 plus
          https://github.com/MarlinFirmware/Configurations/blob/import-2.0.x/config/examples/Creality/Ender-5 Plus/Configuration.h
          #define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT { 80, 80, 800, 93.02 }
          it seems you need Z800

          I will go back in the configurator and post my fixes. Thanks! Most of what u said is chinese to me but I will do some googling and try

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          • shattyundefined
            shatty
            last edited by

            None of these values will autopopulate after I turn it on and auto homes itself and tests itself out?

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti @shatty
              last edited by

              @shatty

              which part did you not understand? please be specific, then we can further elaborate.

              None of these values will autopopulate after I turn it on and auto homes itself and tests itself out?

              no.

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              • A Former User?
                A Former User @shatty
                last edited by

                @shatty

                Did you ever learn how to ride a bicycle?

                If so do you remember the leap of faith you had to make without the safety net of training wheels?

                Follow the steps to get the printer running, check your wiring multiple times, and trust yourself and take the leap, and flip the switch.

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                • shattyundefined
                  shatty @A Former User
                  last edited by

                  @CaLviNx said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

                  @shatty

                  Did you ever learn how to ride a bicycle?

                  If so do you remember the leap of faith you had to make without the safety net of training wheels?

                  Follow the steps to get the printer running, check your wiring multiple times, and trust yourself and take the leap, and flip the switch.

                  LOL. I didnt think it would be this complicated before I installed it. I thought it would be a quick swap. Anyways theres no turning back now.

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                  • shattyundefined
                    shatty @Veti
                    last edited by shatty

                    @Veti Hows this?

                    ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3)
                    ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                    ;
                    ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.4 on Sun Nov 15 2020 03:22:47 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time)

                    ; General preferences
                    G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
                    M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
                    M550 P"E5Plus" ; set printer name

                    ; Network
                    M551 P"xxxxx" ; set password
                    M552 S1 ; enable network
                    M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
                    M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
                    M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet

                    ; Drives
                    M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
                    M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
                    M569 P2 S0 ; physical drive 2 goes backwards
                    M569 P3 S0 ; physical drive 3 goes backwards
                    M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
                    M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                    M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E412.60 ; set steps per mm
                    M566 X1200.00 Y1200.00 Z60.00 E300.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                    M203 X9000.00 Y9000.00 Z1200.00 E6000.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                    M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z100.00 E5000.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                    M906 X800 Y800 Z1400 E1000 I50 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                    M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

                    ; Axis Limits
                    M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
                    M208 X350 Y350 Z400 S0 ; set axis maxima

                    ; Endstops
                    M574 X1 S1 P"xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
                    M574 Y1 S1 P"ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop
                    M574 Z1 S2 ; configure Z-probe endstop for low end on Z

                    ; Z-Probe
                    M950 S0 C"exp.heater3" ; create servo pin 0 for BLTouch
                    M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H5 F600 T6000 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
                    G31 P500 X16.3 Y14 Z1.7 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                    M557 X15:190 Y15:190 S20 ; define mesh grid

                    ; Heaters
                    M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 C4700 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
                    M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
                    M307 H0 B1 S1.00 ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                    M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
                    M143 H0 S110 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 110C
                    M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 C4700 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                    M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                    M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit

                    ; Fans
                    M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
                    M106 P0 S1 H1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                    M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
                    M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on

                    ; Tools
                    M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
                    G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                    G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

                    ; Custom settings are not defined

                    ; Miscellaneous
                    M575 P1 S1 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue

                    I dont see where the Heater for the hot end should max at 280. Also there are 2 fans on the hot end. Shouldnt the values be identical? I got a lot of the fixes from someones 5 Pro config

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                    • Phaedruxundefined
                      Phaedrux Moderator @shatty
                      last edited by

                      @shatty said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

                      I dont see where the Heater for the hot end should max at 280.

                      Add M143 H1 S280 at the end of the heater block under the M307.

                      Otherwise I don't see any obvious issues.

                      You can send M98 P"config.g" in the console to see if there are any syntax errors.

                      Otherwise it's time to do some testing.

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                      • Vetiundefined
                        Veti
                        last edited by

                        @shatty said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

                        M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E412.60 ; set steps per mm

                        as i posted earlier the Z steps according to marlin are Z800

                        M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 C4700 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
                        M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
                        M307 H0 B1 S1.00 ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                        M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
                        M143 H0 S110 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 110C
                        M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 C4700 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp

                        delete the C4700 thats not the resistance. you can leave R empty and the correct default is choosen.

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                        • shattyundefined
                          shatty
                          last edited by

                          @Phaedrux said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

                          M143 H1 S280

                          OK so I edited and turned on.

                          Seems ok. Temps are hovering at 22 deg C with heaters off.
                          Motors are F'ed up. Z looks good. Its the X and Y. I got some error codes.

                          11/16/2020, 1:18:45 AM M122
                          === Diagnostics ===
                          RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.1.1 running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
                          Board ID: 08DLM-996RU-N8PS0-6J1DJ-3SD6K-KSSHN
                          Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (11 max)
                          === RTOS ===
                          Static ram: 27980
                          Dynamic ram: 93672 of which 44 recycled
                          Exception stack ram used: 264
                          Never used ram: 9112
                          Tasks: NETWORK(ready,384) HEAT(blocked,1224) MAIN(running,1880) IDLE(ready,80)
                          Owned mutexes: WiFi(NETWORK)
                          === Platform ===
                          Last reset 00:04:52 ago, cause: software
                          Last software reset time unknown, reason: User, spinning module GCodes, available RAM 8240 bytes (slot 1)
                          Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x0041f000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0xffffffff Task MAIN
                          Error status: 0
                          MCU temperature: min 24.7, current 25.6, max 26.1
                          Supply voltage: min 24.1, current 24.3, max 24.5, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
                          Driver 0: standstill, SG min/max not available
                          Driver 1: standstill, SG min/max not available
                          Driver 2: standstill, SG min/max not available
                          Driver 3: standstill, SG min/max not available
                          Driver 4: standstill, SG min/max not available
                          Date/time: 2020-11-16 01:18:41
                          Cache data hit count 507426640
                          Slowest loop: 6.91ms; fastest: 0.12ms
                          I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
                          === Storage ===
                          Free file entries: 10
                          SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
                          SD card longest read time 3.8ms, write time 0.0ms, max retries 0
                          === Move ===
                          Hiccups: 0(0), FreeDm: 169, MinFreeDm: 169, MaxWait: 0ms
                          Bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
                          === MainDDARing ===
                          Scheduled moves: 0, completed moves: 0, StepErrors: 0, LaErrors: 0, Underruns: 0, 0 CDDA state: -1
                          === AuxDDARing ===
                          Scheduled moves: 0, completed moves: 0, StepErrors: 0, LaErrors: 0, Underruns: 0, 0 CDDA state: -1
                          === Heat ===
                          Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1 -1 -1
                          === GCodes ===
                          Segments left: 0
                          Movement lock held by null
                          HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
                          Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
                          File is idle in state(s) 0
                          USB is idle in state(s) 0
                          Aux is idle in state(s) 0
                          Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
                          Queue is idle in state(s) 0
                          Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
                          Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
                          Code queue is empty.
                          === Network ===
                          Slowest loop: 15.88ms; fastest: 0.00ms
                          Responder states: HTTP(2) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0), 0 sessions
                          HTTP sessions: 1 of 8

                          • WiFi -
                            Network state is active
                            WiFi module is connected to access point
                            Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 0
                            WiFi firmware version 1.23
                            WiFi MAC address f4:cf:a2:66:99:4f
                            WiFi Vcc 3.38, reset reason Unknown
                            WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 23640
                            WiFi IP address 192.168.2.8
                            WiFi signal strength -43dBm, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
                            Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
                            11/16/2020, 1:17:30 AM M120 G91 G1 X-1 F6000 G90 M121
                            Error: G0/G1: insufficient axes homed
                            11/16/2020, 1:14:17 AM Connection established
                            11/16/2020, 1:13:42 AM Connection interrupted, attempting to reconnect...
                            11/16/2020, 1:13:32 AM Emergency Stop! Reset the controller to continue.
                            11/16/2020, 1:13:32 AM Emergency stop, attemping to reconnect...
                            11/16/2020, 1:13:31 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 2
                            11/16/2020, 1:13:26 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 2
                            11/16/2020, 1:13:22 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 2
                            11/16/2020, 1:13:17 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 0 1 2
                            11/16/2020, 1:13:16 AM Warning: Obsolete use of S parameter on G1 command. Use H parameter instead.
                            11/16/2020, 1:13:07 AM Connection established
                            11/16/2020, 1:12:52 AM Connection interrupted, attempting to reconnect...
                            HTTP request timed out
                            11/16/2020, 1:12:40 AM Upload of config.g successful after 0s
                            11/16/2020, 1:07:50 AM Connected to 192.168.2.8
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                          • shattyundefined
                            shatty
                            last edited by shatty

                            ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3)
                            ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                            ;
                            ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.4 on Sun Nov 15 2020 03:22:47 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time)

                            ; General preferences
                            G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
                            M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
                            M550 P"E5Plus" ; set printer name

                            ; Network
                            M551 P"xxxxx" ; set password
                            M552 S1 ; enable network
                            M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
                            M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
                            M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet

                            ; Drives
                            M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
                            M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
                            M569 P2 S0 ; physical drive 2 goes backwards
                            M569 P3 S0 ; physical drive 3 goes backwards
                            M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
                            M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                            M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z800.00 E412.60 ; set steps per mm
                            M566 X1200.00 Y1200.00 Z60.00 E300.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                            M203 X9000.00 Y9000.00 Z1200.00 E6000.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                            M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z100.00 E5000.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                            M906 X800 Y800 Z1400 E1000 I50 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                            M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

                            ; Axis Limits
                            M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
                            M208 X350 Y350 Z400 S0 ; set axis maxima

                            ; Endstops
                            M574 X1 S1 P"xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
                            M574 Y1 S1 P"ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop
                            M574 Z1 S2 ; configure Z-probe endstop for low end on Z

                            ; Z-Probe
                            M950 S0 C"exp.heater3" ; create servo pin 0 for BLTouch
                            M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H5 F600 T6000 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
                            G31 P500 X16.3 Y14 Z1.7 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                            M557 X15:190 Y15:190 S20 ; define mesh grid

                            ; Heaters
                            M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
                            M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
                            M307 H0 B1 S1.00 ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                            M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
                            M143 H0 S110 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 110C
                            M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                            M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                            M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
                            M143 H1 S280 ; 280 deg max on hot end

                            ; Fans
                            M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
                            M106 P0 S1 H1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                            M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
                            M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on

                            ; Tools
                            M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
                            G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                            G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

                            ; Custom settings are not defined

                            ; Miscellaneous
                            M575 P1 S1 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue

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                            • shattyundefined
                              shatty
                              last edited by shatty

                              @Phaedrux said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

                              M98 P"config.g"

                              11/16/2020, 1:23:54 AM M98 P"config.g"
                              HTTP is enabled on port 80
                              FTP is disabled
                              TELNET is disabled
                              Warning: Heater 0 appears to be over-powered. If left on at full power, its temperature is predicted to reach 365C

                              I have that little daughter board connected for the bed heat. Looks like a relay board. Bed heat output on D3D connects to smaller board. Looks like the bed heat output triggers that smaller board. But if you think I should connect the bed straight to bed out on D3D I will

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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti @shatty
                                last edited by

                                @shatty said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

                                11/16/2020, 1:13:31 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 2
                                11/16/2020, 1:13:26 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 2
                                11/16/2020, 1:13:22 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 2
                                11/16/2020, 1:13:17 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 0 1 2

                                this indicates that your wiring of the phases are incorrect.

                                see
                                https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors#Section_Connecting_stepper_motors

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                                • shattyundefined
                                  shatty @Veti
                                  last edited by

                                  @Veti said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

                                  @shatty said in Newbie: New Install on Ender 5 Plus---Willing to PAY$$:

                                  11/16/2020, 1:13:31 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 2
                                  11/16/2020, 1:13:26 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 2
                                  11/16/2020, 1:13:22 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 2
                                  11/16/2020, 1:13:17 AM Warning: motor phase B may be disconnected reported by driver(s) 0 1 2

                                  this indicates that your wiring of the phases are incorrect.

                                  see
                                  https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors#Section_Connecting_stepper_motors

                                  I triple checked them. I compared from the stock board to the D3D. I will check again

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                                  • shattyundefined
                                    shatty @Veti
                                    last edited by shatty

                                    @Veti
                                    so just Extruder,x and y? And just the B phase?

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                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators
                                      last edited by

                                      As it's only one phase of each driver that's reported as disconnected, a likely cause is a bad crimp connection.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                      • Vetiundefined
                                        Veti @shatty
                                        last edited by

                                        @shatty

                                        M584 X0 Y1 Z2

                                        x y z, presumably you have not moved the extruder.

                                        the stock board config does not matter, as each board has different layouts.

                                        did you follow the guide to find the phases of the motors?

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                                        • shattyundefined
                                          shatty @Veti
                                          last edited by

                                          @Veti The stock board has the terminals labeled for the ab and 12. I compared them to D3D and it was good.

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                                          • shattyundefined
                                            shatty @shatty
                                            last edited by shatty

                                            @shatty Motors are 6 pin. The 2 inner and 2 outer are used. Dunno if that matters

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