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    • fcwiltundefined
      fcwilt @KevinMar
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      @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

      @fcwilt Me too, but I've been digging

      When I'm faced with something like this I resort to a process of elimination, thus my suggestion to configure just one heater to see if it changes anything.

      Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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      • KevinMarundefined
        KevinMar @fcwilt
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        @fcwilt I've commented out all heaters except H2, autotuning now.
        "M308 S2 P"21.temp0" Y"pt1000" A"Ex1"
        M950 H2 C"21.out0" T2 ; Heater for extruder out tool 1
        M307 H2 R2.050 C309.100:130.600 D6.20 S1.00 V24.3 B0
        M570 H2 P10 T25 S0.1"

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        • fcwiltundefined
          fcwilt @KevinMar
          last edited by

          @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

          @fcwilt I've commented out all heaters except H2, autotuning now.
          "M308 S2 P"21.temp0" Y"pt1000" A"Ex1"
          M950 H2 C"21.out0" T2 ; Heater for extruder out tool 1
          M307 H2 R2.050 C309.100:130.600 D6.20 S1.00 V24.3 B0
          M570 H2 P10 T25 S0.1"

          Worth a try.

          At some point did you verify that each tool board is actually at the address you are using?

          Frederick

          Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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          • KevinMarundefined
            KevinMar @fcwilt
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            @fcwilt Yes, toolboards are at the addresses assigned

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            • Phaedruxundefined
              Phaedrux Moderator
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              Can you send M98 P"config.g" to check for any syntax errors?

              I'd also suggest generating a basic config using the online tool and trying with that.

              Perhaps a photo of the hotend itself my give us some clues.

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              • fcwiltundefined
                fcwilt @KevinMar
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                @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                @fcwilt Yes, toolboards are at the addresses assigned

                I've got a test setup on my workbench but it only has one tool board connected and it works fine.

                Perhaps there is some as yet undiscovered firmware problem that only manifests with multiple tool boards.

                Frederick

                Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                • KevinMarundefined
                  KevinMar @fcwilt
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                  @fcwilt @dc42
                  Here's my new, super simple config

                  M550 P"ToolChanger" 					; Set machine name
                  M111 S0                              	; Debug off
                  M929 P"eventlog.txt" S1					; Start logging to file eventlog.txt
                  M555 P1									; Set RepRap output
                  
                  G4 S1  									; Wait for expansion boards to start
                  
                  
                  M308 S2 P"21.temp0" Y"pt1000"  A"Ex1"  
                  
                  M950 H2 C"21.out0" T2						; Heater for extruder out tool 1
                  
                  
                  M307 H2 R2.063 C316.300:132.500 D6.10 S1.00 V24.3 B0
                  
                  
                  M143 H2 S300
                  
                  M950 F11 C"21.out2"
                  M106 P11 S255 H2 T70
                  
                  
                  M950 F1 C"21.out1"
                  
                  
                  M563 P1 S"Tool1"  H2 F1
                  G10  P1 S220 R205
                  
                  M570 H2 P10 T25 S0.1
                  
                  G29 S2
                  T-1
                  
                  M501									; Load config-override.g
                  
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                  • KevinMarundefined
                    KevinMar @KevinMar
                    last edited by KevinMar

                    boom, fault at 70c

                    It's most commonly faulting at 70c, which is when my hotend cooling fan is enabled

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                    • Phaedruxundefined
                      Phaedrux Moderator @KevinMar
                      last edited by

                      @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                      M307 H2 R2.063 C316.300:132.500 D6.10 S1.00 V24.3 B0

                      @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                                                                                                                                                                                              M501									; Load config-override.g
                      

                      Does that M307 line match what gets loaded by config-override?

                      Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                      • KevinMarundefined
                        KevinMar @Phaedrux
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                        @phaedrux always

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                        • Phaedruxundefined
                          Phaedrux Moderator
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                          And if you execute M98 P"config.g" does it show any errors?

                          If you delete config-override.g completely and remove the M307 line entirely from config.g, reboot the board and tune from scratch and save with M500 does it produce the same M307 line?

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                          • fcwiltundefined
                            fcwilt @KevinMar
                            last edited by fcwilt

                            @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                            boom, fault at 70c

                            Drat.

                            Does the fault occur when the temp is rising? peaked? dropping?

                            Did you leave all the tool boards connected?

                            Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                            • KevinMarundefined
                              KevinMar @fcwilt
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                              @fcwilt All boards connected, happens ALWAYS when heating up. Never reaches peak or anything

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                              • fcwiltundefined
                                fcwilt @KevinMar
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                                @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                                @fcwilt All boards connected, happens ALWAYS when heating up. Never reaches peak or anything

                                But it seems to be happening when the cooling fan kicks in?

                                Have you changed the temp of the cooling fan to see if the fault tracks that temp?

                                How about adding a M570 for that heater and increase the default P parameter value (5) to something like 30.

                                Frederick

                                Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                • KevinMarundefined
                                  KevinMar @fcwilt
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                                  @fcwilt Yeah, lowered the fan temp to 50, still faulted at about 78C.

                                  M750 is at P10, will raise to 30

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                                  • fcwiltundefined
                                    fcwilt @KevinMar
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                                    @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                                    @fcwilt Yeah, lowered the fan temp to 50, still faulted at about 78C.

                                    M750 is at P10, will raise to 30

                                    I'm interested to see which parameters affect when the fault occurs.

                                    It seems we don't know exactly what condition is occurring that is triggering the fault.

                                    Does a M122 report anything related to the fault?

                                    Frederick

                                    Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                    • Phaedruxundefined
                                      Phaedrux Moderator
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                                      I'd still like to see a photo of the hotend in case there is something obvious.

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                                      • fcwiltundefined
                                        fcwilt @Phaedrux
                                        last edited by

                                        @phaedrux said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                                        I'd still like to see a photo of the hotend in case there is something obvious.

                                        Perhaps you know the answer to this question.

                                        He posted a screen shot showing 3 heaters displaying a fault.

                                        Does a single heater faulting cause all heaters to display a fault or did all three heaters have to fault at the same time?

                                        Frederick

                                        Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                        • KevinMarundefined
                                          KevinMar @Phaedrux
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                                          @phaedrux Ask and you shall receive

                                          IMG_8387.jpg

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                                          • KevinMarundefined
                                            KevinMar @fcwilt
                                            last edited by

                                            @fcwilt It's a printer with 4 tools, just so happened that the 4th tool continued heating to ~120C before faulting (different M307 parameters). All 4 tools have the issue

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